Christian Convert Flees Murder from Muslim Parents 

That is how muslims "love" there children!

Not all of them are like that. There are a lot more "honor killings" going on than people think, but that doesn't mean that all Muslims are bad or that they all "love" their children like that.

It's okay to get angry about this; just please keep the above in mind. I didn't submit this to point fingers at anyone; I just wanted to pass the story along so that more people can pray for this girl.

I'm sorry. I just think that in islam there is no love but a damand to obey the laws without any mercy to guilty, wich itself is the hypocricy that we can see on the example of this Muslim family, unlike in Christianity. However, this does not mean that Muslims can not have the conscience or they not able to love, just islam don't teach this.

There is love abounding in Islam. I can, and will, quote the Koran to you which teaches it.

It's true that there are honor killings which occur in the Muslim world, but these are for more cultural than religious reasons. And there is extremism in Islam. But I thank Dearheart, for pointing out that the example is not the rule. The majority of Muslims are a peaceful people. Unfortunately, the minority is louder than the majority.

There's a really interesting book about the rise of extremism in all religions (Islam, Christianity, Judaism, even Hinduism and Buddhism) in an increasingly industrializing world by Karen Armstrong, who is a former nun. It's on my to-read list, but it comes highly recommended. Maybe either of you might be interested in it as well.

The link:

"About 40 years ago popular opinion assumed that religion would become a weaker force and people would certainly become less zealous as the world became more modern and morals more relaxed. But the opposite has proven true, according to theologian and author Karen Armstrong (A History of God), who documents how fundamentalism has taken root and grown in many of the world's major religions, such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Even Buddhism, Sikhism, Hinduism, and Confucianism have developed fundamentalist factions. Reacting to a technologically driven world with liberal Western values, fundamentalists have not only increased in numbers, they have become more desperate, claims Armstrong, who points to the Oklahoma City bombing, violent anti-abortion crusades, and the assassination of President Yitzak Rabin as evidence of dangerous extremes.

Yet she also acknowledges the irony of how fundamentalism and Western materialism seem to urge each other on to greater excesses. To "prevent an escalation of the conflict, we must try and understand the pain and perception of the other side," she pleads. With her gift for clear, engaging writing and her integrity as a thorough researcher, Armstrong delivers a powerful discussion of a globally heated issue. Part history lesson, part wake-up call, and mostly a plea for healing, Armstrong's writing continues to offer a religious mirror and a cultural vision."

"There is love abounding in Islam. I can, and will, quote the Koran to you which teaches it."
Maybe, but in Islam the law is more important than love, and it is intended only for the "right" people and not for everyone.

In addition, you should know that philosophy of Friedrich Nietzsche also teaches love, just as satanism. They can find other moral virtues, the same as in Christianity. But the concept of love in this philosophy and the cultivation is distorted and not consistent with Christian love. The same applies to Islam. As a result of, this love is worth nothing.

And, if everything as you said is true and Islam teaches love, than why that girl had converted from Islam to Christianity?
She could be happy staying Muslim. Instead, she chose Jesus Christ, the source of Love and Kindness.

Look, I know that Dearheart didn't want to turn this into an attack on Islam. Still, I feel the need to continue to defend it. For this, I apologize to Dearheart for the digression.

To be honest, I am not very familiar with Nietzche, but as you pointed out, he was a philosopher. He philosophized about religion, but that's not the same as having a religion. If I recall, Nietzche was a nihilist, wasn't he? Again-- philosophy.

The concept of love in Islam is very consistent with Christian teachings. Zakah, or charity, is one of their five pillars (akin to Christianity's Ten Commandments). Islam also teaches respect and tolerance for what they call "People of the Book," or those who recognize the God of Abraham, which means Jews and Christians. They recognize the texts revealed unto them (Torah, Psalms, Gospels) as holy texts.

I'm not saying there aren't violent, hateful things in the Koran-- there are. But there are also violent, hateful things in the Bible that Christian extremists exploit. Every religion has the potential to breed misguided zealots. Even atheism, the antithesis of religion, has its fair share of crazies. But there is also beautiful scriptures and teachings in the Koran, as there are beautiful teachings in the Bible.

I said I would provide the quotes, and even though you didn't directly ask for them, I feel like it's necessary. Greekthegeek, a Muslim Fanpopper, did a very good job assembling some positive quotes from the Koran in link. I discussed the difference between Islam and Radical Islam in link. I analyzed the reason that Muslims are demonized in America in link.

I don't expect you to read them all, but at least look at greekthegeek's list of quotes.

As for your question about why she converted, well, that's for her and God to know. People convert to and from religions fairly frequently, for various reasons. People convert from Judaism and Islam to Christianity, and people convert from Christianity to Judaism and Islam. Perhaps she liked the words of Jesus Christ, and the practices of Christianity over Islamic teachings. Religion, remember, is a choice, and a personal one. Who's to say why she chose it, she just did.

The reaction of her family to her conversion is absolutely deplorable, as are honor killings in the Middle East. But they are comparable to the intolerance of fundamentalist Christians. The Westboro Baptist Church protests military funerals, with signs saying "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," with the belief that the military promotes homosexuality. The brutal beating and murder of Matthew Shepherd. The assassination of Harvey Milk. The bombing of abortion clinics.

Brutality is not exclusive to Islam. That's all I'm saying. You can't apply the actions of the few to the entire religion. I have lived and broken bread with generous Muslim families, who welcomed me and treated me like a daughter. They are capable of great hospitality-- just as true Christians are fabulous hosts. Believe it or not, Christianity and Islam share more in common than people think, both the good and the bad.