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Consensual Necrophilia?

I know this must be confusing to read, so I'll explain. What I mean sejak consensual necrophilia is that people, before their death, are able to choose whether atau not some can have sex with their lifeless corpse.

I know this might seem like a flippant question, but it goes well beyond necrophilia. Should a person be allowed to grant any access they choose to their corpse following death? We already deal in organ donation following death, as well as donations to scientific studies. Should there be a on what's available to do with one's corpse, and if so, where should the line be drawn?
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My view is that this removes one of the major concerns regarding necrophilia - namely, since the person who became a corpse consented, there is no breach of the corpses rights, nor those who are set to watch over it. Still, the disease-causing harms of having sex with a dead individual remain, and a new one is created. Allowing this tacitly states that necrophilia is not just legal, but condoned sejak the state. That would require something in terms of regulations, but is it necessarily a good thing to promote necrophilia on the state level?
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cassie-1-2-3 said:
I support any decision anyone makes when it comes to their post-mortem desires, but I do believe that a line should be drawn only in the case their their request in harmful to other people.

I never looked much into the safety risks of necrophilia, so I don't know how selamat, peti deposit keselamatan atau dangerous it is. If it's not very risky, I'm fine with it.
I don't think it would be "promoting" anything, unless it somehow becomes a recommended practice.

Something being allowed doesn't always mean it's being promoted.


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I finally decided to do some research.
Dr. Kenneth Iserson wrote a book about dead bodies and decomposition called "Death to Dust" and his finding are that dead bodies are generally harmless to our health. The bacterium involved in decomposition are already present in our bodies. As long as we are living, we're immune to their effects.
Even if the body were to have maggots and other insects aren't harmful to your health.

The only way a dead body would be able to infect another person would be if the body was infected sejak an infectious virus. A body won't simply become infectious because it's dead.




My only standard on the issue would be that the sexual act be done before the body goes into the softening stage, so the body doesn't tear apart. This stage doesn't occur until 3 weeks after death.
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Legalizing the act, though, would likely increase the propensity. Essentially, it's promoting it simply sejak allowing it, whether atau not the government actively states its support.
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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I just don't see how allowing propensity is the same as encouragement.
cassie-1-2-3 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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Good answer - agreed!
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blackpanther666 said:
While I agree with allowing after-death requests, I think that necrophilia is going too far. It is simply, 'disgusting' and it simply degrades us as human beings.

I have to make several points:

1. If the person, who died, made that decision, what state were they in mentally?

2. What about the wishes of their family. For example, if my mother died and requested, before her death, that my father had sex with her one last time with her corpse, I would be honestly disgusted. It is important to remember the feelings of the deceased's family too. Just because they make an unreasonable request, does not mean that it 'has' to be granted. How would anda feel if the same happened to a relative of yours?

I honestly think there should be 'moral' restrictions to granting a 'post-mortem' request.
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Well, the first of those issues can be solved easily enough: institute the same system we have currently for determining the state of mind of someone who writes their will. The saat is lebih complex, and addresses a different side of the issue. Is the corpse of a person the property of the deceased, atau is it the property of his/her family? Whether you're disgusted matters, but only in the latter instance. In the former, anda would have no say. The difficulty in determining who has property rights is that it's barely been explored. The family has control over the corpse for burial purposes in the status quo, so perhaps they would in this case as well. However, the rights of the deceased have always been held to as well. The will of the deceased is followed to the letter as long as it was written in a good mental state. How those two would clash is uncertain.
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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*shrug* It happens. I've made plenty of nonsense arguments before.
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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Yeah, I know what anda mean, dude. I'm not particularly bothered, it's just interesting what I berkata all those months ago, compared to what I would say now, if I was able to add another answer to this question.
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bri-marie said:
If it's consensual, I don't see what the issue is.

I know that one of the komen-komen was "what if the family isn't comfortable with it?" anda could say that about anything regarding family and rights. What if a person berkata that if they were ever on life support, they would want to be taken off, and the family isn't comfortable with that? Do they have the right to keep the person on life-support, and go against the other's wishes? What if a person berkata they wanted to be buried, not cremated, and the family isn't comfortable with that? Should the person be cremated, even though it was against their wishes? atau vice-versa. What if the idea of a mother's daughter's body being burned is exceptionally uncomfortable for her? Does she have the right to go "well, she wanted to be cremated, but I don't like that, so we're not doing that"?

When it comes to after death (or life-support/coma) decisions, it's the deceased's wishes that are upheld, not the family's.

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And rightfully so, but the real soalan is about the deceased's ability to give their corpse as a sexual property to someone, and there might be some complaints about that that are well-founded. There are strong religious movements that are against giving even an organ before a person is buried, and allowing this kind of act is on a whole other level. I'm not saying it's a reason not to allow this, just a consideration that could have major consequences.
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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As for cost, once again, you're misunderstanding my argument. No matter what happens, as a result of this spending, you're at least spending hundreds of millions of dollars on necrophilia. Period. anda can't justify that sejak saying it's just another waste of money because you're just adding to the problem. There's good reason to believe that the allowance of consensual necrophilia (which, as we've both agreed, would make it safer and legal) would increase propensity. anda say this is comparable to marajuana, but this is a whole other level because of the safety aspect. There are certainly some unsafe aspects to marajuana as it is, but the difference in safety between using that particular drug and engaging in necrophilia is monstrous. Unless anda believe people are fully willing to risk their lives to pursue their fetish no matter the circumstance, this increases the number. But even if I agreed with anda - even if this didn't lead to an increase in propensity and was a useful cause - I can't help but wonder why this particular medical issue is most important when so many other deficits exist in the health care profession. We can both agree that, in the end, whether the amount increases atau not, the total number of people engaging in this is incredibly small. Should we ignore every other possible use for this money in favor of this policy?
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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In the end, though, it seems we've basically come down on two sides of this argument, and apparently run out of common ground to stand on. I appreciate the debate, really I do, and if you'd like to respond to this last point, I encourage anda to do so. But at this point, I think I'm going to cut off my responses. I think if we were sitting down and having this conversation face to face, we could get somewhere, but it's difficult to do this back and forth in posts like this. It's been a pleasure, and I hope that we have lebih conversations like this in the future, despite the aggravations it involves.
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alismouha said:
As long as it does no harm. Do whatever anda want with your body.
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I think that as for men, it probably will do harm if he sticks his eh... business into something dead. =O
Chaann94 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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Yes, please do a lot of research that will prove to me that Halloween is illegal.
cassie-1-2-3 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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I forget what this has to do with Necrophilia, though.
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Dewheart said:
I suppose if it's "consensual" and doesn't cause harm, then I don't have a problem with it. Just because I find something to be gross doesn't mean it should be illegal for everyone.

Although, I am a bit curious about how this would be regulated.

Not that this is actually likely to ever happen. Gay marriage hasn't even been legalized in most states.
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Yeah, the likelihood of something like this being allowed is pretty minimal to be sure. I'm not quite certain how it would be regulated. I mean, what level of decay is too much?
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Chaann94 said:
Yes there should be a limit.

Necrophilia is a sexuality disorder just as pedophilia is. anda can't encourage it, anda need to treat it.

Consensual necrophilia is one of those "in these times, anda can practically do anything so let's come up with the most disturbing things!"-diseases of the western society if anda ask me :/
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...That's what they berkata about homosexuality.
alismouha posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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link first of all, it's listed as a paraphilia. saat of all; look at the research section. to me, that's reason enough to not to make it legal. Also Im sure there are some pedophiles who never raped. Do anda have a number of pedophiles who never raped? You're just assuming the majority of pedophiles never raped a child, whereas anda never named any number atau percentage.
Chaann94 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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I'm sorry. I must be slow. Instead of directing me to a section in an artikel and leaving me to figure it out, do anda think anda could spell it out for me?
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coriann said:
O________O Marc.....Marc why would anda even think about this? *shakes head* nevermind, i think necrophilia should be allowed under consent of the dead corpse, which i doubt will be popular, lol. husbands may get consent from dead wives, prostitutes may even consent for their body to continually be used for money! idk if it's possible but it crossed my mind, but think about what it would do to the families of the people who are being used for sexual purposes, it could destroy them emotionally knowing that their dead relative is being used for that, it could give them nightmares, depending on how close they are it could cause severe depression O_____O but, in the case of the medical safety of the volunteer, i think maybe they should sign something stating that they know what they are getting into. I think there are a lot of potentially dangerous sports that are completely within the law, eg. bungi jumping, sky diving :P the senarai goes on :P there anda gave it whiteflame55 ^ ^ my answer
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Heh, a lot of interesting topics come up when anda compete in Debat for 5 years. It's certainly not going to be popular, but as I said, this is lebih about whether the restriction should remain in place to prevent this from happening atau not. You're right that the family could be scarred sejak such a decision, but should it really be up to the family's discretion, atau should the person while they're alive have a say?
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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Well, when they're alive they would most likely need to give a reason... They would also need to be asked if they care about their families' mental health from such a thing like this. I mean, if the lawyer present asked them that soalan and they berkata they don;t care if it hurts their family, then should they really get to do such a thing, after admitting so callously that they couldn't care a less if their family members suffer mentally afterwards?
blackpanther666 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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Why? Because anda think one is good and the other 'bad' we can override the wishes of the family on one and not the other? But it is very subjective what good and bad is... how do we (or rather the law) determine the difference?
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dreamfields said:
I will say outright that I am against this issue. That is my personal opinion.
Secondly, I think the Debat may be made mute sejak the fact there is little chance of it becoming legal. In the US for example, can anda imagine a politian proposing such a bill? Right now I would say the majority of people would be against it on moral grounds. It is illeagal in the US, but individual states vary on the servarity of the crime from a misdemeanor to a felony.
The comparison of giving permision of organ donation, and that of granting permission to allow necrophilia is not a very good one. In my view point, donating organs is for the saving of another life. Consentual necrophillia basically gives permision to use a corpse as a sex toy. While some may not see a problem with that, I see it as a selfish act of person wanting only to satisfy thier sexual desires atau fantasy.
I tried to do a internet cari on the health risks of the practice. There were very few that discussed the physical effects on the living participant. Most sites talk about the treatment for a mental disorder. NOW, before anda jump on me, I did not call it a mental disorder, but most of the psychology community seems to. If it were legal, the person would have to take precautions to attempt selamat, peti deposit keselamatan sex. It would have to go beyond wearing a condom, since the vagina would not be the only part of a corpse to pose a threat. As a body decomposes, I would think, harmfull bacteria would develope over the entire body. Also, there would have to be a time set on how long it was selamat, peti deposit keselamatan to "use" the corpse. Now again I'm not in favor of this, but I'm trying to cover all angles.
Now, if the family of the deceased wished to make a legal challenge, it could draw out for months. Not, to be morbid, but I don't know how fresh the body would stay if put in a freezer.
Another legal problem would come from people interested in necrophilia, but without an opportunity. Now, if a person wanted to check the internet hard enough, they could find extreme pornography of necrophillia. Would it be reasonable to think the demand for such would create lebih videos. Let's face it, there are people that will do anything for money. Even if it means making a video of a real murder and rape of the corpes. So while some may consent, innocents could become victims.
This topic has taken me way out of my confort zone. I've refrained from arguing soley on my religous beliefs. Feel free to komen on anything anda may disagree on. Just remember this is a Debat site and I only gave my point of view.
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pandawinx said:
Necrophilia isn't just obscene and gross- it's also dangerous and a health and safety risk.

YOUR HAVING SEX WITH A LIFELESS FUCKING CORPSE.
Whatever could go wrong? (sarcasm alert)

There comes a point when a corpse is but a rotting lump of flesh. Fungi starts to grow on it, it decomposes and is crawling with all kinds of harmful bacterium.

Its at the least, horribly unhygenic and could result in the offender contracting vomit-inducing diseases.
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*Bacteria.
alismouha posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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anda gave a fair response. No reason to get upset over it, Chaann. Cassie had the right of it, though there are other concerns.
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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"cassie stop bitching about the information on the links. face it, you're wrong." " But I don't want to get into a petty argument like a 12 tahun old, so bye." Hmm...I'd try not to make these debates too personal, anda two.
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wantadog said:
I feel obligated to post this......


I think it is disgusting(Contrary to the awesome pic), and it should not be allowed, but then again, who am I to say what other people can atau cannot do? My vote would be no, but like I said. It all depends, I suppose.
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 I feel obligated to post this...... I think it is disgusting(Contrary to the awesome pic), and it should not be allowed, but then again, who am I to say what other people can atau cannot do? My vote would be no, but like I said. It all depends, I suppose.
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My answer is the shortest XD Yay!....why am I proud?....meh...must be Exorcist's post having an adverse affect on me..."Please mommy, no lebih reading!"
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AMEN! I agree with anda hahah! about the necrophilia that is.
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Nick16 said:
Good Lord yes.
There should be like a 36hour on if anda could keep a body if such a thing was allowed.
Bodies go bad pretty quickly.
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But this really doesn't address the problem of disease. If people are allowed to keep corpses around, should there be limitations on duration? And should their usage of the corpse be restricted such that they must ensure that they don't get any diseases associated with necrophilia?
whiteflame55 posted hampir setahun yang lalu
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There should be like a 36hour on if anda could keep a body if such a thing was allowed. Bodies go bad pretty quickly.
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nicky666 said:
I kind of think it comes down to my body, my choice. Now anyone considering donation should probably take their relatives feelings into account & warn them in advance. Its going to be a shock otherwise. I am dead I really can't say I care.
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