Disney Princess Article: Walt Disney Princess Standards Test

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posted by laylastepford

Ok so I saw a talented user here post an artikel about the Bechdel Test and being the Walt geek that I am, was immediately inspired to do a Walt Disney Test.

Walt Disney was unfortunately only alive to fully see over the production and release of Snow White, Cinderella, and Sleeping Beauty which are known as the "Classic Princesses". For this reason, I took everything in common that I could find with these 3 princesses for relevancy to rate the others. The 14 commonalities I found were: 1.) Beautiful Face 2.) In Shape Body 3.) Soft/Sweet Speaking Voice 4.) Singing Voice 5.) Dance Scene [Solo atau with Others] 6.) Modest Clothing 7.) Innocent Virtues (Kind, Modest, Reserved, Humble) 8.) Animal Friend atau Pet 9.) Marry the Prince [& Live Happily Ever After] 10.) There is Magic Involved in Their Story 11.) Female Villain 12.) Born/Married into Royalty 13.) Wear a Head/Hair Piece 14.) Have the Color Blue in at Least 1 Outfit

So, since the majority of the princesses have been made post-Walt's death without his supervision and approval, which ones would still meet his standards? The purpose of this is to see which princesses are the most up to what Walt Disney's standards for a princess were and what he liked to incorporate into princess films. [This was before the commercialized franchise.] I will exclude Snow White, Cinderella and Aurora from the senarai as they are the Standard. They will be referred to as the [i] Classics for the sake of condensing where possible.

1. The Little Mermaid/Ariel meets 14/14 Standards:
Although Walt Disney died before he got to see this film made, he was still a major role in the planning and development as he started on it in the late 1930s soon after Snow White. link sejak chance, original story and visual development work done sejak Kay Nielsen for Disney's proposed 1930s Anderson feature." There were many changes to the script but Ariel is a popular peminat favorite. I find it rare that anyone sees Ariel as lebih traditional since she is such a progressive and open-minded character. This was a beautiful blending of what Walt wanted and what was trending at the time.

2. TIE - Belle and Tiana meet 13/14 Standards:

Beauty and the Beast: Like The Little Mermaid, this is a story that Walt had his sights on after Snow White. Walt tried to develop this in the 1930s as well as the 1950s but it proved to be too much of a challenge. After the success of [i]The Little Mermaid however, those challenges were finally overcome. Belle's most unique characteristic is her knowledge and Cinta of reading. The only thing her story lacked in common with the Classics was a female villain. This was a beautiful blending of what Walt wanted while incorporating change and what was trending at the time.

The Princess and The Frog: This is one that Walt hadn't actually thought of but he'd certainly still be proud. All of the production and development for this film occurred around 2006 and after. This film is probably the best proof that Disney could do new, different, diverse, traditional and Walt all in the same package. Like Beauty and the Beast, the only lack of commonality with the Classics was a female villain. I personally think this would be the film that Walt would be the most proud of since his death. Tiana has all of the qualities that the Classics have and more. She is very balanced with humility, modesty, grace, work ethic, self-respect, determination, perseverance, ambition, etc.

4. Tangled/Rapunzel meets 12/14 Standards: Another story that Walt hadn't considered. This film started production and development starting in 2002. Rapunzel's character was written to be lebih "Renaissance, bohemian" woman than typical Disney princess. That being berkata the only 2 things she lacks in common with the Classics are an outfit with the color blue in it and she doesn't marry a prince. Personally, I think Walt would've liked everything about this film except her not marrying the prince and a wanted criminal instead. She is the princess so of course the criminal saved her, that doesn't erase his background and character. Him taking on responsibility and commitment in addition to a complete abstinence from crime would be his route to earning Rapunzel's hand. Other than this, I think Walt would be proud.

5. TIE - Frozen/Elsa & Anna meet 10/14 Standards: (Or 10.5 Depending on how anda look at it with the "Female Villain") Although this is the newest Princess film out yet (or so it seems as it has not been formally inducted yet), this is actually one of the films that Walt Disney had already had in mind and been working on also around the time of Snow White. Originally titled Snow Queen, this film proved to be too problematic and Walt had to put it on the shelf. Interestingly, this film's development started increasing after the success of the Renaissance Period but was unfortunately shelved again. It wasn't until Lilo & Stitch that the Disney team were finally able to find a way to make the Snow Queen work, inspired sejak the sisters Lilo & Nani Pelekai. The lack of commonalities between Elsa & Anna and the Classics are: no pet/animal friend (Sven is Kristoff's so I didn't count him and Olaf is a snowman not animal); neither marry a prince; neither wear a hair piece. Since Walt was such a family man, I think he would have been very proud of this film despite those few differences. The keseluruhan theme of Frozen was about family and it still very much represented his papar and standards of what he wanted princesses to be as far as personalities and qualities.

7. TIE - Jasmine, Pocahontas(Rebecca) and Mulan meet 9/14 Standards:

Aladdin: All of the production and development of this film began in the early 1990s. It was taken from the story 1,001 Nights but changed dramatically (Chinese to Arabian for example) and greatly Disney-fied (even with lots of cameos of earlier characters). The 5 lack of commonalities melati, jasmine has with the Classics are: soft/sweet speaking voice (hers is lebih sultry/seductive); modest clothing; innocent virtues (modest, humble, kind even to those they don't like atau who are mean to them); marry a prince and female villain. I don't think Walt Disney would have been proud of this one at all because it is disrespectful to the culture it represents and not in line with his modest values. Walt always wanted his Disney company to be as innocent as possible and the staff did not do him justice with this princess. I think Walt would've been perfectly fine with the concept, just not the execution. I think the changes he would've made with melati, jasmine [aside from making her lebih true to her culture in general] are as follows: lebih modest, softer than sultry voice, and politely reject the suitors instead of attack.

Pocahontas: This film was entirely conceived of etc. in the 1990s. It was meant to be a sort of, Romeo and Juliet type piece, where Pocahontas is torn between wanting to help the English white settlers and obeying her father who wants to destroy them. The lack of commonalities between Pocahontas and the Classics are: soft/sweet speaking voice (hers is lebih mature and stronger but in a good way); doesn't marry a prince; no magic in her story; no female villain and no hair piece. I really do think Walt would have loved to have personally worked on this piece, mostly because she is real. However, I think Walt would have kept it lebih historically accurate since the truth lebih resembles his traditional family values. Pocahontas chose to adopt the name Rebecca and married John Rolfe, had a son together and lived happily ever after. This is something that I think Walt would have included in the 1st film and I don't think he would've added the imaginary romantic relationship between her and John Smith that never happened. I also don't think he would've used the name "Pocahontas" since it means "naughty one" and was only her nickname. Her real name was Matoaka until she legally changed it. Aside from making the story lebih accurate, I don't think Walt would've changed much else. I'm not saying he would've made it totally accurate, the real story has to be Disney-fied for audiences, I just don't think he would've made it as inaccurate. Inaccuracies aside, I think he would've been happy.

Mulan: In the mid 1990s Disney started to dip their toes in Asian-themed animation. One short they were working on was link who is whisked away sejak a British Prince Charming to happiness in the West. Disney combined this with The Song of Fa Mu Lan, the Chinese poem, to create Mulan. The lack of commonalities that Mulan has with the Classics are: soft/speaking voice (good for her story to better fake male voice in army); no dance scene; no marrying a prince; no female villain and no ties to royalty through birth, marriage atau even adoption. I know there are going to be a lot of people out there who don't agree but I don't think Walt would've liked Mulan joining the battlefield. All statistics tunjuk that women on the frontlines are bad for the women, the men, the military in general and our country's chance of winning. Because of this I think Walt would've absolutely embraced the "Chinese girl whisked away sejak British Prince Charming" but I don't think he would've supported a role model that gives girls unrealistic expectations that could get them killed atau other horrible things that tend to happen to women who sertai the military. I am not saying that women shouldn't be in the military at all, I am just saying that I don't think Walt would've approved of encouraging young girls to sertai the military to be on the battlefield. I think Walt would've been lebih comfortable if Mulan had been a military nurse instead of passing as a male soldier.

10. Brave/Merida meets 7/14 Standards: (Or 7.5 Depending on how anda look at it with the "Female Villain") She is hailed as the most progressive and atypical of all the princesses. Some do not prefer this change and others embrace it. It was announced in 2008 as The menanggung, bear and the Bow but was released in 2012 as Brave. The many lack of commonalities that Merida has with the Classics are: no soft speaking voice; no Singing voice; no dancing; lack of innocent/demure virtues; didn't marry prince and doesn't wear a hair piece. It's obvious that Merida doesn't fit in line with the original standards but is that necessarily a bad thing? Walt Disney cared about innocence and good prevailing so no, I don't think Walt would've been disappointed with Brave/Merida. Although she started off reckless, impulsive, irresponsible and self-centered, she really did go through a transformation change (it just took her mother almost dying at her father's hands for it to happen). Since Disney wasn't one to leave out tragedies (Bambi; fox & the Hound; etc.), I do think he would've enjoyed Merida's character arch since good prevailed in the end and she saw the error of her ways. Knowing Walt, I think he would've at least added a song and dance if not a prince and happily ever after wedding and ending. Overall, despite the seemingly numerous differences, I do think Walt would've been proud. Especially because it was also an original story.

So keseluruhan Ranking based on my estimation of Walt's Kegemaran Disney princess/film to least are:
1. Tiana - Princess and the Frog
Because he didn't think of it but it comes from a classic fairy tale, she meets his classic princess standards and goes above and beyond. She learns about Cinta and life as well as reaches her separate dreams and makes her dreams come true.
2. TIE: Ariel - Little Mermaid & Belle - Beauty & The Beast
Because both of these are pieces that he worked on but didn't get to finish. Both of these princesses meet all of his standards [even if the film's other aspects don't] and I think he would've been really proud to see the finished products.
3. TIE: Elsa & Anna - Frozen, Rapunzel - Tangled & Merida - Brave
Because with Frozen, he really wanted to find a way to make the Snow Queen work and I think the Disney team did a wonderful job at doing that while keeping to his family values. With Brave I think he would've loved the originality and character arc of maturity etc. The reason they are one spot below Ariel & Belle is because Walt is very traditional and I think he would've liked them just a bit lebih if he got to see their happy ending with a prince. I still think he would've loved them though. Rapunzel fits all of the standards that Walt had for his princesses except for marrying a top, quality man (the prince). I don't think he would've approved of marrying the criminal but otherwise I think he would've loved Rapunzel.
4. Rebecca - Pocahontas
Because Pocahontas is very close to meeting all of his standards. Although she doesn't marry a prince, it's kind of like she did because she married into a much better life for herself (I'm in no way saying that's the sole reason). There is no magic in her story but their version of the real story is compelling enough without magic. Nature fills that role instead and I think Walt would've absolutely loved this.
5. TIE: melati, jasmine - Aladdin & Mulan - Mulan
Because I think he would've wanted either a better character arc in melati, jasmine atau different characteristics altogether. With Mulan I think he would've wanted a different plot. I don't think he would've hated atau even disliked these characters, I just think he would've made the most changes to them and their films than all of the other ones.

*Note: I request that komen-komen would be made in constructive and considerate manners please. I understand there will be people with opposing opinions and I Cinta to hear them and am very open to them. However, please refrain from blatant extreme and baseless accusations such as I'm a sexist atau that Walt Disney is. Some papar are lebih conservative but that doesn't make them sexist. Nothing about my papar atau Walt's papar are sexist, they are simply rooted in traditional family values that may atau may not be as important to you. Please be respectful and mindful. I don't mind opposing opinions at all, I just don't appreciate absurd accusations.

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laylastepford [b][u]wavesurf:[/b][/u] I never said these weren't my opinions. The article clearly states that these are my opinions based on what I found to be Walt's standards. I didn't basically say Walt would make Mulan a nurse and sincerely ask that you re-read the article before you make any other absurd accusations that are clearly covered. [u][I]You need to learn how to separate your emotions from what you are reading because it is obviously impairing your ability to fully comprehend the material.[/u][/i] I clearly said [b]"I think Walt would've been [u]more comfortable[/u] if Mulan had been a military [u]nurse [i]instead[/i] of passing as a male soldier[/u]."[/b] I just offered 1 suggestion that kept Mulan in the military. More accurately he probably would've scratched that altogether and just had her marry a prince. I never "basically said Walt [u]would[/i] make her a nurse". You couldn't point that out in the article because you made it up and I never wrote that. I wrote that he would be more comfortable not that he'd go for it. Walt was definitely not strict about adhering to the original fairy tales and a user was kind enough to even post an article that listed all of the differences between the Disney version and source material. You can find it here: (http://www.fanpop.com/clubs/disney-princess/articles/218595/title/most-accurate-dp-movie-countdown-results) It even includes poll results and other user comments so you will see that it is not a secret that Walt was not strict to the source material at all. I have no idea where you are pulling this random claim from. You go from blunt to harsh and then back to blunt again. That is terribly inconsistent. I said blunt not harsh and they are separate. You are clearly psychologically thinking of harsh not blunt. Bluntness may not be appreciated by all but that doesn't change it's intent. If the intent is simply truth then it is kindness. [b]There is absolutely no proof that Walt disliked African Americans nor that he was racist.[/b] One movie about the south is not convincing evidence especially when [i]he casted a live male African American actor who was nominated for an award when he could have easier done animation.[/i] Also if Walt Disney was so racist then why didn't he build his parks in northern middle America where there are the least white people? Why California and Florida when he knows they are going to boom with diversity? Your claim that Walt was a racist makes no sense and your only evidence of 1 movie is not enough to outweigh everything else about Walt that is not racist.

laylastepford [b][u]scarletunicorn:[/b][/u] Where did I [b]"exclusively"[/b] say that I support colonization? Why are you acting like supporting colonization is so terrible when [b]you clearly support colonization or you wouldn't be using a computer and living in the colonized world[/b]? Nobody is stopping you from living off grid so obviously you embrace colonization. Watch your language please. What I said about Pocahontas is absolutely true. She was not forced to marry John Rolfe, she wanted to. When the opportunity arose for her to choose between her people and the English, she chose to live with the English. She said so herself so [i]why are you calling Pocahontas a liar?[/i] It may upset you that Pocahontas preferred to live a life where she would get to be a monogamous wife instead of polygamous wife, where her husband couldn't abuse her and drag her by her hair, where she would get the comforts of full clothing and better shelter and food but that's not shocking to most people. She preferred her life in England and saw it as better than her life in the tribe, I'm sorry that truth offends you. She was her father's smartest daughter and she was the most interested in foreign culture and when she left, she got to explore her new world a whole lot more. Instead of projecting your personal feelings onto her and I, why not just be happy for her and stop trying to condemn me for speaking the truth? Find me where I said that "I think women shouldn't fight". [b][u]Your problem is that you take what I say, add how you feel and then turn that combination into what I said.[/u] Please correct that.[/b] I said that statistically there is no benefit from women being on the frontline in the battlefield, that is not the same as "I think women shouldn't fight". I'm sorry that cold hard facts based on math and science upset you but that's not the intent.

anukriti2409 @scarletunicorn - m also not sure of how is she supporting colonization in her argument? Probably i missed that link. I do not support colonization at all and do not agree with those who does. Also, rape and tease is more serious issue for me in current times. If you feel as strongly against Colonization, you are free to express it. I'm not here to tear anyone up but to share my opinions.

laylastepford anukriti2409: I don't appreciate the prejudice. You may not have supported colonization but Pocahontas/Rebecca did. That's not my opinion, it's hers. If tease is a serious issue for you in current times then I hope you recognize how well off your life is compared to the rest of the world.

wavesurf @laylastepford: If you are going to completely discount everything I said, then fine. And just for the record, when other people bring you new information and provide you with reasons why they disagree with you, it's RUDE to tell them that they have it wrong, and have emotional problems on top of that--- simply because they don't happen to agree with what you said! THAT'S NOT KIND. Bluntness is not a kindness! You, yourself, actually do have some emotional problems, too. Your complete disgust comes out in all of your responses to each person who negatively commented about this article. Well, right, it's your opinion, and I respect it, but I definitely won't be reading anymore of your articles. You simply can't take or appreciate any opposing points of view.

wavesurf @Anukriti: You're welcome. It's not exactly well-known history about Walt Disney. But it's real, and it's true, and that was one of his last films.

scarletunicorn @Anukriti: It's well documented that Pocahontas was forced to be carried off as a slave to the British and married to John Rolfe. She converted to Christianity because that's what the English forced the Natives to do, since they didn't accept their religion. It was either conversion or death. What Layla is saying is just simply whitewashing history.

vintagelace @wavesurf: Floyd Norman would disagree with you on Walt Disney being racist. Here's an article from his blog: http://mrfun.squarespace.com/blog/2013/1/22/revisiting-song-of-the-south.html (I'm not saying I agree with him, but he's African American and IMO his viewpoint should be listened to here) And here's quotes from him, Richard Sherman, Robert Sherman, and Joe Grant (the Sherman Brothers and Joe Grant were/are Jewish) on Walt Disney's supposed racism and anti-Semitism: http://gettothestabbing.tumblr.com/post/113261928773/smallherosix-emersynn-smallherosix Can we all please be nice to each other? Can we all please remember that we say things to each other on the Internet that we wouldn't be as hurtful to say to each other in real life (myself included)? Can we all please take a moment to cool off before posting anything we might regret later? I've posted stuff on the Internet that I really wish I could take back, and I'd hate for that to happen to anyone else.

laylastepford [b][u]wavesurf:[/b][/u] Stop kidding yourself. You didn't give any new information, you attacked me, [b]you twisted my words and purposefully misquoted me to fulfill your emotional agenda. You were rude, not me.[/b] You do have emotional problems which is why you aren't debating what I said, you're debating how you feel about what I said. Of course I find fascists completely disgusting and have a negative response to them because I believe in freedom and respect. [b]Here you go again being rude and making things up because you're too emotional to handle a difference of opinion. There have been plenty of polite responses from me to people who don't agree with my opinions so stop twisting things. I have only been rude to the people who are rude first by trying to silence me simply because they disagree with me and not because I did anything wrong. If your civil rights were being attacked then you wouldn't be so polite either.[/b] [u]Stop making things up because you cant emotionally handle a difference of opinion![/u]

laylastepford [b][u]scarletunicorn[/b][/u]: What's well documented is the fact that Pocahontas wanted to live in England, she wanted to go with John Smith and told him he was like a "father" to her and she was very happy exploring European culture. She ate very well and she loved the clothing attire that England had to offer. [b]You are just too racist to accept that someone might actually like white culture who wasn't white even though you clearly like white culture since you're online and on a Disney fansite. You realize Walt Disney was a white man don't you?[/b]

laylastepford [b][u]vintagelace:[/b][/u] Thank you for posting your comment. That is exactly the kind of guy I always thought Walt was. [b]"Walt really didn’t care who or what you were. He cared about your talent and ability.” [/b] This is why I thought Princess and The Frog would be the one he'd be the most proud of. Because it did not have his involvement at all even 1% yet still managed to carry on his legacy. I thought he would've been proud that they did that without him. I did ask at the end of my article for people to be polite but I cant help it if some people are bent on insulting Walt Disney without legitimate evidence.

anukriti2409 @scraletunicorn: Yea...i was reading about it in detail yesterday only, haven't known the complete details so far. Like i said, i don't support colonization and neither those who does. @Laylastepford: Firstly, i wasn't talking to you as i clearly marked someone else. I don't care what you appreciate or not. Its clearly the case what wavesurf just highlighted. You can't handle opinions against yours and need to grow up.

laylastepford [b][u]anukriti2409[/b][/u]: Geez I wish you'd take your own advice since you were the one asking me to delete an article because of your personal emotions. Secondly [b]I still don't appreciate your prejudiced opinion about me: "Probably i missed that link" [/b] [u]That was your prejudice against me that I must have said something pro-colonization even though you admitted that you knew I didn't. You just couldn't leave it at that, you had to get emotional and add that I must've put that in there and you just missed it.[/u] YOU need to grow up.

anukriti2409 LOL! I have never once suggested to delete your article! Secondly, i said "Probably i missed that link" to @scarletunicorn. If you wouldn't have been so twisted up in your own world, you'd have seen that i was actually supporting you that you didn't intend about colonization, you dumb! Which is why @scarletunicorn was asking me how can i support your viewpoint on Pocahontas! Girl, get hold of YOUR EMOTIONS when its clearly over-flowing in every underlined, bold, italic statement.

laylastepford [b][u]anukriti2409:[/u] Don't play games. I'm clearly talking about the other article you asked to delete, not this one.[/b] I know what you said was to another person but you were still referring to me. [b]How about next time you try to talk about someone behind their back, actually do it behind their back? If you're brave enough then just admit you were talking about me because it was obvious.[/b] [u]You supported me for one second and then turned around and said you must've missed that link which completely nullified the one second of support.[/u] Clearly you are the one who needs to get a hold of your emotions since you're the one resorting to pathetic name-calling and trying to convince yourself that I'm dumb.[b] If you don't like emphasis then stop requiring it.[/b]

reflection11 laylastepford, you are attacking others and insulting them. Please stop. This is not a bad article by any means, but you need to calm down.

laylastepford [b][u] reflection11: [/b][/u] I find you to be extremely hypocritical and I don't appreciate your comments. I am not attacking others and if you actually read the comments then you would see that [b]I am the one being attacked so how dare you try to attack me for defending myself along with defending Walt Disney?[/b] I have been accused of supporting pro-colonization (which I haven't) and I have been accused of lying about Pocahontas (which I haven't) and that was just how it started. [b]Other people make proactive comments asking other people or expecting other people to attack me like "i'm surprised none of you have come to tear up Layla's post."[/b] So where is your comment to that or them?? [u]You need to learn something about fairness and respect, it's a two-way street. I am not as good at Cinderella at keeping my mouth shut when people are attacking me.[/u] [b]If you were a decent person then you wouldn't be trying to attack me too but you are a crowd follower. I know this because you post the 1st comment on my Jasmine article saying: [u]"...Good article, well thought out. A lot of what you said is valid... Overall, you make some good points, but a lot of them are character flaws... things that make her human."[/u] and then you turned around and jumped on the "delete this article" bandwagon after a few other people were upset. I'm sorry but for that, I do not respect your opinion because I know it's not rooted in values but the crowd.[/b]

PrincessAyeka12 Good article and good observations. It makes me wonder though if Walt had approved making Aladdin whether he would've sided with the others about making it Arabian Nights style (aka western orientalism fantasy) or kept the original traditional tale which is Chinese based?

reflection11 I was trying to be nice to you on the first article because I knew you were going to get trashed for it. Other users were bringing up good points and there were a lot of insults and fights going on, I spoke up and said to delete it. I'm not even attacking you... I just told you to calm down? Last time I try to be nice to you. Sorry, but you just called me an indecent, stupid (implied I'm not "twisting your words"), and unfair person.

laylastepford [b][u]PrincessAyeka12[/b][/u]: I think that's a great question. It's also interesting to note that Aladdin came out in 1992 shortly after the wars in Iran-Iraq. It always made me wonder if that had something to do with the massively false representation of Jasmine?

PrincessAyeka12 I think you might be right about that. I've just been looking at blogs about Jasmine's representation using google search and found a preview of a book called It's not the Media: The Truth about Pop Culture's Influence on Children by Karen Sternheimer. "Aladdin takes place in a Middle Eastern locale, and it's characters are constructed to fit within the American stereotype of life in the "barbaric" Middle East. Perhaps by bracketing this setting as foreign and "barbaric" (Aladdin's 1992 release coincides with the end of the Gulf war) there is an implication that images of gender within this film are foreign and somehow different from the Western World." But I found a preview of another book which is even better and goes into more detail. Unfortunately it cuts off at some point. It has a section on Aladdin discussing issues on sexual identity, portrayal of women and racial stereotypes. It's called Animation: Art and Industry. It's too long to quote so I'll just give you the link. Read pages 208-212 - to read further you'll have to buy the book - link: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=NBvnBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA209&dq=jasmine+harem+girl+Animation:+Art+and+Industry&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CBoQ6AEwAGoVChMIg9GrpKbhxwIVJDnbCh0D6gjJ#v=onepage&q=jasmine%20harem%20girl%20Animation%3A%20Art%20and%20Industry&f=false

JNTA1234 LOVE this article! Walt LOVE Tiana so I agree with that!

laylastepford [b][u]PrincessAyeka12:[/b][/u] Wow, that was really thoughtful of you to post your findings here. Thank you very much for doing that, I will look into them! [b][u]JNTA1234:[/b][/u] Thank you! I thought so too.

PrincessAyeka12 Your welcome. I've wanted to post my findings since I saw your Jasmine article. I kept making a post and then deleting it. I'm very sensitive about flames or just angry criticism. I didn't want to be attacked by the Jasmine fans for being anti-Jasmine and a hypocrite for being a said Jasmine fan. I do love Jasmine and I love fairytale fashion. But that doesn't stop me from being interested in reviews (often from a realistic or true historical perspective) about Jasmine's representation. I have a thirst for knowledge and I'm interested in other cultures. But I'm not one to experience it for real, I like to learn about it in the comforts of my own home. I'd rather start with fictional films and books, then research for true facts on the Internet.

laylastepford [b][u]PrincessAyeka12:[/b][/u] Well thank you for posting your findings despite the risk. I am also very interested in historical perspectives so I appreciate it.