I've encountered some major BL fans who believe Leyton are meant to be. I'm not looking to start a debate, I'm just curious...

I think there is a few who still have faith...like real faith in brucas. Dont ask me why, but they still believe bl is endgame...
let's see the reuslts

Obviously, I am going to be bias. My answer is NO.
I don't believe they are meant to be, simply because I am trying to keep faith in my couple.
Is this bias?
Yes.
Do I care?
No. :)
However, although I do not agree that they are meant to be, I can say that there is no doubt in my mind they will be the endgame couple. It sucks, but it's going to happen. I've tried to accept this fact on several occassions, but I just can't like them. I mean, for a minute I like them... there is a spark, but eventually the flame dies out. I'm just a natural BL fan. That is why I don't think they are meant to be, simply because there are too many BL fans :DD
I mean, we have to remember, they are just fictional characters ;)

^^but you do understand the question right? It doesn't make anyone less of a BL fan if they vote yes. The question is about pure observation. Not preference. If you wanna remain bias, I can't stop you. I just wanted to clarify.

NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER
Was I clear enough lol :D

lol i think alice was very unbiased with how she explains it.

on to me. i dont think they are meant to be, and not as a biased bl fan but simply as a biased lp hater, i mean if i thought they were meant to be i would wow ship THEM! its as simple as that, yes wanting to keep faith in bl and being a biased bl shipper allows my believe that though bl are not together they should be, but its not by bias that makes me feel that though lp may be end game they shouldnt be, its because i believe they are NOT meant to be together, so i guess its the whole chicken/egg which one came first scenario.

Mickei I agree that is the same way i feel about LP i truly believe they are not meant for each other i am a bias Bler but with that said i just don't believe they are meant for each other at all.

if i thought they were meant to be i would wow ship THEM
It doesn't have to be as black and white as that, but I see where you're coming from...

Abs- the point is, i can't NOT be biased. I can't say leyton are meant to be if I love brucas in such a way. My whole point is being a brucas fan makes my view one-sided. I can't look at things THAT open mindedly. It's just not possible. Because how I see things, of course I don't believe they are meant to be because I love brucas and I think they are meant to be. Do you get what I'm saying?
Sorry, I'm probably not making much sense.

i totally agree with you Mickei!!!!! like 100%%%%

And, I know this is off topic, but OH MY LORD you got a new icon, abs!! LOL. You had the other one for like, ever!! :D

NO way! Brucas are meant to be but unfortunately leyton is gonna be end game im the same as 1treehillfan i just cannot like leyton ok admittedly in season 1 until Brucas got together i was rooting for em but then brucas came and i was like best couple ever! Coz season 1 leyton made me feel something but after that they were kaflooey for me

1treehillfan, understood. I know. I'm glad you at least see it as a "bias" opinion. Cause again it doesn't have to be about choosing sides. So at least we're clear on that :)

and yeah, I finally got a new icon :P - I don't like change, lol...but we'll see about this new one - I cropped it....and I liiiikes it...my.....preciiiiiousssss :D

^^ :DDD
Well, it's definitely a change :)
I'm the exact opposite. I get antsy if I don't change my icon at least once a week :D

^^hehe :)
well, I eventually, reluctantly accept or embrace change...

k, it's midnight. nighty night!

^^ really?
It's not that late yet over here :)
Well, goodnight :)

If i though LP were meant to be, surely I would then ship them. Its impossible to answer questions like this without being biased.

At least not me.

I think they are. They have been in love from the Pilot. I think Brucas fans actually should face the truth. That Brucas isn't gonna happen. Browen and Leyton is gonna happen.

Well, anything can happen.

Anetted, this question is directed to brucas fans only. I made one specifically for leyton fans so can you please just answer that one?

I prefer Brucas, I think they have more chemistry and are a sexier couple but I don't deny that in Mark's One Tree Hill Leyton are endgame. I will not say they are b/c it makes complete and total sense (Let's face it complete and total sense would be he married Lindsey not a girl he loved in high school) but b/c Mark adores Leyton (especially Hil/Peyton) and his want is endgame and his want is Leyton.

Also, Abs, what is your icon? I can see Peyton it but it's hard to tell the rest of the details.

anetted- I would appreciate it if you would not answer a brucas question and not spread brucas hate... I mean, this was meant for brucasers.

Ellies, it's a snippet of luke kissing peyton's neck @ the airport in 601...you might get a clearer bigger shot if you go to my gallery :)

Oh, I'm sorry! I do not hate Brucas! Not at all. I'm a fan of Leyton AND Brucas! But I guess I just have to choose between them.

I'm so sorry, I hope we can forget this? :) I'm really really really really sorry! I feel so bad now.. Don't hate me, please?

^^ Oh I don't hate you! I'm sorry, it just sounded like you weren't a brucas fan... but it's all good. You're most certainly forgiven. :)

Ok thank you sooo much! I felt soo bad.. The last thing I want is fighting with someone.. I hate that.

I love everything about oth (well I don't love nanny carrie, but i guess you know what i mean), and I love all the couples. No matter who they're with. It doesn't matter if Lucas is with Peyton or Brooke. I love it! If it wasn't for Brucas AND Leyton, the show wouldn't be the same.

yeah no worries. didn't know you were a BL fan too :)

wow, though most of the "yes" voters didn't comment, I appreciate the honesty :)

only the season finale will tell ;)

i LOVE brucas and in my opinion they have more chemistry than leyton. and it would be amazing to see brucas endgame but i can definitely see where leyton fans are coming from in their love for the couple. brooke did say it was always peyton and lucas [:(] so i've learned to accept that. there's always season 3 to go back to!

What if.. What if Lucas just says to Brooke in the season finale: "It's you, Brooke. It's you I wanna marry!"
That would have been cool. :)

^^LOL yeah but it would have been like "WTF?"

everyone is gonna hate me but i do think that leyton are meant to be and are soalmates but i jus love brucas more. leytons storey just annoys me im lie yoiu love each other get on with it that why i like brucas in season 3 they loved each other and thats all that mattered with leyton there always has to be drama and they always hurt other people to get what they want. brooke , lindsey , julian its jus not on its plain selfish and thats why i like brucas dont get me wrong now i do like lp but not a patch on what i like brucas

^^lol, anetted! I agree with 1treehillfan. If I were a brucas fan, I'd want their reunion to make sense in respect of brucas. Season 5 was a buildup to leyton's reunion in 601. So season 7 should be a buildup if anything. and something crazy would have to happen in s6 to make that happen. Like Peyton dying? lol. I dunno. I say that because mark planted seeds for 5 seasons so for leyton just breakup after all that would make mark look dumb.

^^ Well, Mark is dumb... LOL.
But, I get what you are saying and I agree. I think this season should have brucas build up as a relationship in fairness and respect to us BL fans.
I really hate Mark's bias though. It's like, here leyton fans I'll give you this big juicy stake and the brucas fans can keep the bones LOL!
It's just like his own personal opinion plays such a HUGE part in the creation of the show that it actually starts to get worse.
Don't get me wrong, I know that the creator/writer's opinion should matter, but not as much as it does to him. That's why we have so much leyton and so little ANYTHING with Brooke except maybe a couple scenes with his new helpless soul named Sam.

I really hate Mark's bias though. well every writer is a little bias, especially when he/she's choosing the endgame couple. but I see where you're coming from with mark not giving a lot of brucas scenes this season. but there were barely ANY leyton scenes in s2. Anyhow, the season is still young, there may be more brucas scenes to come :)

Most deffinitely not!
Brucas is meant to be.

IF I THOUGHT LEYTON WERE MEANT TO BE I WOULDN'T BE A BRUCAS FAN!!!!

whether you like Leyton or not, there's no way you can argue that they are meant to be. it is very possible for you to still like Brucas, but still be able to acknowledge at the same time that Leyton is meant to be, whether you like them or not. so just be mature about it and be honest! Leyton is meant to be everyone knows it!! :)

Kelsie you are right

Actually kelly, I think that was a little rude.
Not everyone things LP are meant to be. And just because people have that opinion doesn't mean it's true.
Meant to be means that they were supposed to be together, they were soul mates from the start. Obviously, a brucas fan wouldn't believe that because they believe in Brooke and Lucas. That is why I think this question has an obvious answer.

Alice i agree not every Brucas fan agree that they are meant to be some do but a lot don't and Kelly you could have said that a little nice because that might set some of the Brucas fans off.

There she goes again. I'm sorry I'm not in a debate mood right now.

that's ok Nem neither me i but i am just trying to makes sure things don't get out of hand.

lol i'm sorry but i don't really care if i "set some of the Brucas fans off". saying that Brucas is meant to be over Leyton is just ridiculous in my opinion. yeah, being meant to be means that you should have been together from the start... and how can you say that about Brucas, when the first time they talked Brooke was naked in the back seat of Lucas' car practically forcing herself on him? he wanted nothing to do with her... he was going after Peyton. to me that doesn't sound like Brucas is the couple that is meant to be... sounds like Leyton is! Leyton both mutually wanted eachother from the beginning... it wasn't that way for Brucas. Lucas wanted nothing to do with Brooke. the only reason it wasn't Leyton from the START is because Peyton didn't want to hurt Brooke

lol, kelly, I wouldn't start. I've already tried to reiterate that you don't need to be a leyton fan to say that Leyton are meant to be. some brucas fans have openly admitted that they have to be bias to keep their hope alive, and others have voted yes, but most of them chose not to comment. So let's just leave it at that. You can't convince everyone :P

i guess i just dont see the meant-to-be-ness of leyton, to me they aren't meant to be, i can't think of one couple that i thought was meant to be but didnt ship (well martha and jack, but im off on with them, ill ship em when theyre together and ship jack moving on from his indecisive 'friendly' soulmate when theyre not together). im loyal that way, if i believe two people are meant to be together ill ship them, its the hopeless romantic in me. im a sucker for romances. i believe that peyton is meant to be with jake and lucas is meant to be with brooke, so i obviously dont believe lucas and peyton are meant to be, and its for that reason i dont ship em, because i believe they are not meant to be. but yeah doesnt mean im blind to the fact they most likely are going to be, it just will never sit well for me because it just feels so wrong and in my heart something that is meant to be shouldnt feel this wrong.

and seeing kellyerin87 doesnt care if they set off some of the brucas fans, this is to you, everyone has their own opinion, some may think its rediculous to think leyton are meant to be over brucas, i dont think meant to be ness means it had to be from the start, i dont think it has a timeline, many great couples weren't planned and mapped out from the beginning, some love stories are so meant to be they defy the odds, they defy the plan, they are so strong they shine through what appears to be set in stone, they're uncontrollable, i would like to think that could make a couple even more meant to be. as a brucas fan i find no shame in the first brucas scene, its burned inside my mind and i wouldnt take it back for anything, its one of the moments when you can look back and say hey thats when it all changed. and i think the reason it wasnt leyton from the beginning had more to do with the fact that peyton you know was dating another guy and kept pushing lucas away.

sometimes if people are so focused on what was meant to be meant to be they may just miss out on something truly beautiful which could possibly even be more meant to be.

heres a question to the brucas fans who said yes, do you in your HEARTS truly believe leyton are meant to be, or do you just believe theyre going to be and that is not going to change, and accepting something and believing in it are two totally different things. sure if you believe it you cant help it, all the power to ya, but dont degrade your brucas self by thinking acceptance and belief are the same thing.

broody, ppl can interpret this question in many ways. Meant to be can be heard as "the couple that best fits"; the couple that "defies all odds" or what not...My context was, throughout the 5 seasons, which couple [despite your personal preferences] has had the most evidence to back them up that they're meant to be. Both brucas and leyton have had evidence in their favor over the seasons, but which one has been shown the most to YOU as "meant to be"...hope that clarifies things...

As always, love yah Mickei. <33

yes me too you tell them Mickei

thanks abs for clearing things up, so this is about evidence? which couple has more evidence they are meant to be, with whatever way we all choose to interpret what exactly meant to be means. well if its out of the show i would say leyton, they do have a lot of evidence backing them up that they are meant to be together or are going to be anyway, within the show through out the seasons im going brucas still. i look at them, their quotes and scenes i see destiny written all over em.
but... theres always a but, isnt there... i was simply asking my own question if in their hearts they feel that leyton are meant to be, i guess because with love i think believing a couple is meant to be should be decided by our hearts not our heads. sometimes i feel that some blers are accepting leyton because they have to, and for no further reason, which isnt exactly being true to themselves. but i guess being your pick and question that was totally inappropriate of me, and i apologize, it was not to challenge you or your question, merely to get blers to perhaps think twice and look into their hearts before they make their true choice.
and please feel free to call me mickei or b4c, broody just screams lucas scott to me and i feel like i should look over my shoulder and check the gorgeous blonde isnt standing behind me (i wish!). cheers

and please feel free to call me mickei or b4c, broody just screams lucas scott to me and i feel like i should look over my shoulder and check the gorgeous blonde isnt standing behind me (i wish!). hah, you are too cute :)

and I appreciate your apology. I see where you're coming from so no hard feelings :)

if i thought lucas and peyton were "meant to be"...i would like them as a couple. i would never think two people were meant to be but then dislike them as a couple. i mean if the question is....who did the creators of the show mean to be the loved couple on the show...maybe that answer could be lucas and peyton. maybe the intention was to create a couple that was star crossed lovers....but what was a nice idea before the show, i think certainly didnt play out once the show was created. the show went down a different road and found an astonishing couple in lucas and brooke. and while i saw in these comments that someone wrote that "everyone knows lucas and peyton are meant to be" (or something like that)...i could just as easily say "everyone knows lucas and peyton are the worst and weirdest pairing on the show and would be much better off if they broke up" and i would have many people backing up what i said....but that's why there are opinions and discussions about this. because CLEARLY not EVERYONE thinks they are meant to be, or even good together. i can even say that MANY people, maybe even most, do not agree. but that's why there are sooooo many discussions anti lucas and peyton, and pro lucas and peyton. if it was so clear that EVERYONE knew something about them....there wouldn't constantly be these discussions.