Debat #1: Why do people oppose romance between family members?

It's lebih a standpoint on morals, even if they don't have sex.
Moral degradation would be the key point. Even if we cant pinpoint exactly why, the strong often innate feeling of disgust most have with the concept of incest is based on morals. A strong feeling of what is right and wrong.

Religiously it can be seen as sinful. I am not religious but I'm sure people would align with that notion of it being perversion.

In some areas it would be illegal.

Opening the relationship to romantic with family can lead to trauma and mental health complications. Romance is not a fundamental quality of family so with it added can harm typical family roles and relationships.

Even if consensual I don't agree with it. A line needs to be drawn and I think it needs to be drawn at incest. There are so many people in the world, to choose to romantically engage with family simply isn't normal. I wouldn't shun a person for choosing that, but it doesn't make it right nor should it be seen as normal.

Well a lot of other reasons has been stated above, but often when it comes to family abuse and trauma are much lebih frequent as it is harder to get out of an abusive relationship when that same berkata person is in your family. To break up with an abusive partner would be something that could easily become a huge family issue and cause tensions and possibly result in one part atau the other, sometimes both, having to be at risk of getting disowned atau shamed, atau upset, and so on sejak family is family were to take sides atau what not

Even if the relationship is not abusive, if the relationship were to fall apart the unique dynamic of being family would cause a lot of chaos not only within the relationship and the individuals but the family involved. Kind of imagine a really close friend group atau a team where dynamics are similar to family. Say two people starting dating there, and then they were to perpecahan, berpecah up, not only would their friendship possibly be at jeopardy but the entire friend group. Now take that logic and apply it to something that is so important to many people such as family and it posses a massive risk.

Additionally, just in a psychological stand point, there is usually an unfair and predisposed sense of dominance and authority that is just found in natural family dynamics - especially in siblings. This causes often for some poor dynamics and sense of respect and authority that doesn't really transfer well into relationships

I could go lebih into all these points but like thats generally the jest of it

Additionally it is most simply a cultural norm that anda shouldn't, but what I listed above is some of the reasons that I don't support it either.

I have a similar opinion to be honest. I generally don't care unless the family members breed. Also according to some sources the birth defects might not be as high as perceived tbh.

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This artikel gives several sources on the findings.

Incest just simply have a stigma and it's a stigma that likely will never go away. While I personally wouldn't do it myself. I am not going to automatically judge another for doing it. It's whatever. So long as no one is getting hurt directly atau indirectly.

It feels wrong. But I can't explain why.. Well, sex does at least

In my religion it's actually prohibited
As it says in holy Quran.

90% sure that if intercourse was involved the kids will come out unhealthy/with genetic defects. But honestly I think that it is almost strictly biological (especially upon further research). link Even Haiwan are reported to alih away from incest, which further supports that it is a biological instinct for most people. Interestingly enough, apparently plants do too lol.

So even if anda take sex out of it, there is something very primitive about disliking incest. Sort of like how lots of people are afraid of spiders; it can be physically harmful so biologically the brain tries to avoid it.

That said, on a personal level, I don't really care. I would not part-take in incest. I don't condone it (unless its a plot point for a fictional story atau something) but honestly it's none of my business what people do so long as everyone consents.

I honestly don’t see anything wrong with it either other than people telling anda it’s bad.

Thank anda for opening up with this topic. I agree with anda as well and it frustrates me that people have such a black and white view on this as if it's on the same level as murder atau pedophilia.

Personally, I believe that there should be some basic "don't" morals everyone should have regardless of culture, such as rape, theft, and, as I just stated, murder and pedophilia. I think most other things are up in the air as a morally gray area depending on culture and the individual person. Even though I personally would never be part of an incestuous relationship because of my own morals, I actually don't care about incest as long as it's not predatory (ex. parent/child), especially when it comes to cases where siblings/cousins weren't aware they were siblings/cousins until after they got together. In those cases I feel like making them break up if they didn't wish to would be unfair.

I understand why this is controversial because making it a taboo subject (both romantic and sexual) is beneficial to a healthier society (a romantic relationship without sex could still have mental health repercussions for other family members), whether it be for scientific atau religious reasons. Although imo first cousins being together isn't that bad even if they reproduce.

A lot of it has to do with

Culture
Religion
And that's just how some people may be, they just naturally have a disgust towards it.

It's kinda like how many people (including myself) disapprove of cannibalism. I can't see this being healthy, and so, it's generally seen in a negative light. Plus, I do believe there are certain lines that should be drawn, and I draw that line at Incest. I personally won't shame those who have these feelings atau take part in them, be it romantic atau sexual. I won't look down on them for it, because we all have something about us that makes us a bit weird. Just look at me, I use to have romantic feelings for a person that didn't even technically exist. And for some people, that's immoral. And as a result, I'd no doubt get the same treatment as those who practice incest.

But as long as both consent and no one is in any danger, I personally don't care.

Its not the same as LGBTQ+.
LGBTQ+ does not go against nature, incest does.
Haiwan have use for LGBTQ+ members and can be a normal thing for some animals. Haiwan and plants have innate behaviors to prevent incest.
LGBTQ+ won't produce a higher percentage of birth defects, incest would.
Yet, we live in a world where a lot of people still don't accept LGBTQ+. Now, why is that? Its the same argument I guess....if gay people don't make Bayi and assume we're talking about a gay relationship with no sex, people that are homophobes will still not accept it. Although, LGBTQ+ doesn't have the other issues that incest might have.
1. Family dynamics play a huge part. LGBTQ+ should have less issues with this. Family dynamics is different from romantic relationships. The farther away the pokok is, the lebih similar it would be to just normal relationships, the less issues there will be. This was already explained so I won't need to type it.
2. For some reason people still think romantic relationships should be about creating a family and that means reproducing. And again, incest can increase birth defects.
3. Religion and morals, both explained again.
4. Its not considered normal.

This soalan is 2 months old and people already berkata pretty much everything. There's not much of a point for me to go really deep into this.