Disney Princess Best Development Countdown! Round 1: Pick the one with the LEAST development. (Comments considered!)

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32 fans picked:
Aurora
   38%
Merida
   22%
Ariel
   13%
melati, melati, jasmine
   6%
Tiana
   6%
Rapunzel
   6%
Snow White
   3%
Cinderella
   3%
Belle
   3%
Pocahontas
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Mulan
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Allowed by MaidofOrleans.

Vote for the one that changed the least. The DEADLINE is in the 2nd of December.
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Peaceful_Critic picked Aurora:
She doesn't even have anything to learn, at least according to the movie because they barely told me anything about her.
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Angelica_AW picked Aurora:
I love her, but yeah, she doesn't change or learn anything.
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wavesurf picked Merida:
Her half-contrite apology, and her shedding a few tears when she realizes that her mother might remain a bear for all time thanks to her...are the only things I notice. Once Mommy is back to being a human, Merida is back to being her original self: self-centered, interested only in archery and the outdoors, disgusted with princes kissing her hand. Nothing has changed. The needle on the change pedal moved exactly one millimeter, and then resumed its original position. Merida didn't want a marriage. Merida has no marriage at the end of said film. What changed in Merida's life? Nothing did.

Tiana is another example of a character ( like Merida) who gets everything she wants after brow-beating others, and exercising zero emotional intelligence. It's Lottie who does the sacrificing of the most important "dream" by giving up Naveen so that Tiana can have him. Tiana already has her restaurant. Why Tiana needs a guy, when Tiana shows zero interest in romance at all... exemplifies one of Disney's major lapses in logic, and is why I don't appreciate TPATF.
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MaidofOrleans picked Aurora:
Goddammit I had a big long reply typed out and then my internet failed! Ok, here we go again.

Tiana and Merida go through some of the most development of all the princesses. I'm shocked people are voting for them. Tiana changes from a workaholic to someone who knows that there is a place for love and fun in her life. Merida learns to listen to her mother and that she was selfish. She even gives a big speech, enthralling members from all four clans, in which she uses her mother's teachings (which she previously refused to do), and is even on the brink of choosing a suitor before her mother stops her! Then she later gives a heart-wrenching apology to her mother during which she's literally sobbing, and admits all of her mistakes and acknowledges that her mother really had been there for her the whole time. After this we see her collaborating on a tapestry with her mother (again using her mother's teaching, which she had previously refused to do), and laughing and joking with her suitors. She grows from a petulant, bratty, selfish girl into an understanding and empathetic woman.

Compare that to Aurora, who does literally nothing except dance in the forest. She doesn't learn any overarching morals, nor does she grow as a character.
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carter_morrison picked Merida:
I did not see her change one bit in her movie. She is an Ariel knock-off.
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ace2000 picked Snow White:
And how does Snow White change...?

^ IMO the only things Ariel and Merida have in common are red hair... Ariel is more accepting of her father's opinions (although maintaining her own), while Merida decides to actually change her mother in order to get what she wants.
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wavesurf picked Merida:
I'd argue that Aurora does what Merida refuses to do... Aurora sacrifices her immediate gratification for the sake of her larger community ( the people who need her to marry the prince she was betrothed to, and in that way avert a war). Aurora sets aside her own happiness, and gives of herself. Merida, at first, refuses to sacrifice anything ( especially herself), and...uh...well, the rest falls out from there.

Who knows? Paradoxically, Elinor might have been hesitant to have Merida leave the nest so soon after all...because Elinor is shown to be quite clingy to Fergus, stern with the triplets and Merida...and displays issues with empty-nest syndrome, even in the first half of the film. Elinor feels "that she must" do something to continue the kingdom...but relies on tradition too heavily. And for one who is so controlling, Elinor really would suffer from empty-nest syndrome if her oldest child left. Human psychology plays a role.

Merida is the opposite of Aurora. That's for sure. Merida changes her mother's perspective to match her own perspective. Aurora changes her heart and mindset much more quickly than Merida does.
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MaidofOrleans picked Aurora:
^ Changing her mind isn't the same as growing as a person. Merida learns valuable lessons in her movie, i.e. she develops. Aurora doesn't learn any lessons, i.e. she doesn't develop. We don't see her personality change at all from the beginning of the movie to the end. We do see that with Merida.
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wavesurf picked Merida:
^Merida's personality doesn't change. though. Merida is letting her mother stitch the girl and the bear tapestry at the end. She's simply sitting beside her mother. She's not sewing a tapestry.

Also, watch carefully on the docks scene. Merida's face is wearing a gross expression when the prince is kissing her hand. Merida is trying to pull her hand away. Yeah. No change, there.

And finally, Merida wears the most gleeful expression and the brightest smile when she is astride Angus and racing her mother through the forest again. Not when she is facing the tapestry or the princes. Merida has the same mindset. Elinor has changed her mind about it all. You see the change in Elinor. I don't see the change occuring in Merida.

And if you are referring to that speech Merida made in front of the clans... That scene would have worked to show Merida's real change in perspective if Elinor had not cut in and circumvented all of Merida's need to sacrifice her own interests. By Elinor saying that she was allowing Merida to break tradition-- that was all the license Merida needed to remain herself. Merida didn't need to change her mind after that.
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KataraLover picked Aurora:
She's as developed as a blank piece of paper
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AudreyFreak picked melati, melati, jasmine:
yeah, blank pieces of paper are always feminine, romantic, idealistic, and are aghast when they discover that their life was a lie. they sing about metaphors too. My notebook won't shut up in class.

Anyway, her or Snow, I can't decide which. Snow wasn't supposed to develop, in fairness, though I guess you could argue she learns dreams and wishes do come true? Jasmine doesn't learn anything or grow, but also in her defense, she isn't the main character.

But Merida, really? the whole movie is about her development. She had behaved like a selfish brat and slowly grew up and in the end worked to fix her bad mistake and truly appreciated Elinor. that's character development.

also, she is not an "ariel knockoff" even though they do have lots in common... but even if she was, what does that have anything to do with developing as a character (unless you're insinuating Ariel also is undeveloped, in which case, why not vote for her?).

this place always just votes for favorites and against least favorites without objectively looking at the characters and using logic. I'm sorry, but it's really frustrating and never stops. Merida has always been a least favorite and the bias is strong here.
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KataraLover picked Aurora:
I won't bother to defend why I think Aurora is poorly developed just because I don't feel like getting into that debate again after the billionth time. As for Merida, it may be development, but it was poorly done development. It's so rushed, doesn't feel natural or genuine, and kind of tacked on.
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MaidofOrleans picked Aurora:
Completely agree with AudreyFreak about Merida. People are only voting for her because they dislike her. Maybe you need to re-watch the ending of Brave again, because everything you said was incorrect wavesurf. Merida is in fact sewing the tapestry, and wearing a gleeful smile while doing it. When the prince is kissing her hand she may look disgusted, but she's also laughing. Take a look at screencaps from the film if you don't believe me. The fact that Elinor stopped her during the speech doesn't negate Merida's change, rather it highlights Elinor's change. The point of the film is that they both need to learn from what happens, and that's what that moment does.
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phalangeregina picked Merida:
She was not liked in my country because she was a brat in the beginning and a brat at the end. No change at all except a new dress.
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Sparklefairy375 picked Aurora:
She doesn't learn anything and change.

Merida really? She's the most developed one, from a stubborn and irresponsible person to be more responsible and she's learning from her mistakes. I completely agree with MaidofOrleans and AudreyFreak that peoples here are vote her just because they hate her. Or they are never watch her movie as well. Stop to be biased please. Especially you wavesurf, all of your statements are irrelevant.

And you phalangeregina, you seems to never watch her movie as well and only judge.

One another reason to me for hate bias peoples. They always pick their least favorite princess in each countdown, without looking to the princess herself. Use logic please!
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wavesurf picked Merida:
@Sparklefairy: My statements aren't irrelevant. You've decided that in your own mind. Just because you, MaidofOrleans, and Audreyfreak love Merida's development, doesn't mean everybody does. So there.

And logic is quite subjective when it comes to someone's evaluation of each princess. Not everyone will relate to Merida. No matter how many times I have explained my side, you always come up with saying I'm biased.

Which, ironically, just proves my point anyway.


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ApplesauceDoctr picked Aurora:
She has a personality but doesn't develop. That's not her fault though; the movie just doesn't call for it.
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hatelarxene picked Merida:
Why on earth did Cinderella and Belle get votes?

And phalangeregina shouldn't be decried for never seeing a movie. She should be decried for being absolutely obsessed with her country and showing it on everything.
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xanara picked Merida:
Ugh I pick Merida because she is ugly at the beginning and ugly at the end. Inside but especially out hahahaha XD.
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anukriti2409 picked Aurora:
LOL, i already knew Merida would be picked out. I dont understand that if a person doesn't agree to one thing, which should be a sole right of that person in first place, it means they didn't develop or changed at all? How? She did avert the war on her own by understanding the lessons from her mother which she in first half didnt agree but understood in later half. That is how she delivers that speech, through her development. She was ready to sacrifice her right to marry when she wants to avert her mother suffering from a grave consequence as a result of it. She makes clans understand why they shouldn't fight in the first place just bcoz she refused to marry any of their suitors. her whole relationship with her mother has changed completely. She never saw her mother as supportive of her, or her lessons to be important but she learns all of that by the end. Just because her choice of not getting married didn't change by the end, doesn't mean she didn't change.
And a half ass apology (a whole speech to her mother, crying, begging to come back in front of everyone, easily 4-5 minutes long) is way better than no apology at all, which constitutes of a half framed sentence that doesn't include the line "I'm sorry". How does people draw a better apology from half a sentence than from an entire speech is beyond my comprehension.

And this whole premise of putting the blame of clans going to war bcoz Merida refuses to marry is biased in itself. How can one expect this? Will any of you get married bcoz the guy who proposed you has declared war/threatened on your family?

We love Aurora's stance of sacrificing her happiness for her people coz fortunately we already know who that prince is. Make a movie out of her getting married to someone else, imagine that life. You'll see the fault in that decision.

The point is whether one likes the development or not is separate point. The poll isn't about your favorite development of the character. It is about picking the least developed character.

Aurora has a very limited change, which is circumstantial in nature and will not last in her personality. She was wrecked by the truth but how did it change or develop her as a person? we never get to see that. My next pick would be Jasmine.
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truth76 picked melati, melati, jasmine:
She stays the same throughout the movie and doesn't change.
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Evera picked Aurora:
I agree with everyone who pick Aurora.
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wavesurf picked Merida:
@MaidofOrleans: I've seen Brave seven times now. FYI, I have the entire screencaps for Brave as one of my computer wallpaper changes. I know exactly what those scenes show...and Merida isn't sewing the tapestry. Merida wears an awkward, disgusted expression with the prince kissing her hand. The Dingwall prince is a buffoon ( he kisses Merida all the way up to her darn elbow--- and I hate how Disney now denigrates all of the male leads, and makes them appear sooooo silly and stupid. I much prefer the Classics and the Renaissance era over portrayals like these... )

And then Merida and Elinor appear cliff-side astride horses...and only then is Merida wearing the brightest smile. Merida is back to being outdoors and racing horses. She has not changed her habits, her perspective, or her personality.

I'm sorry. But I have indeed looked at the screencaps. ( How else was I to figure out the saxon dogs hemline for my crochet Merida doll?) There is no needle in Merida's hand at that moment!!! Merida never has a needle in her hand, except for when she stitched back together the original tapestry her mother made after she took a sword to it. At the end of the movie, Merida is not stitching the new tapestry or sewing at all. She is, instead, admiring her mother's handicraft. Which is okay. But that's all.
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FloraorStella picked Aurora:
Wow, this comment section is just people fighting.

But yeah, I don't see much development in Aurora.
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Sparklefairy375 picked Aurora:
@jeangreyforever: I know you are pick her 100% because you think she doesn't develop. I don't saying you are biased. But you have to know, most peoples here (exclude you and a few other users) who pick Merida in this countdown are known for their strong hatred with her. That kind of peoples are the ones that I call as biased.

And also, I don't mean to be rude with them. If they call me rude, they're just misunderstand with what I mean. It seems phalangeregina are just rate her with what peoples in her country think about her, I'm just...not sure if she already watch the movie yet.
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loveDP97 picked Ariel:
Either her or Aurora (again :-( ) I chose Ariel because... I think Aurora will be voted out first and has enough comments. So I picked Ariel because she's selfish at the beginning and selfish at the end.... except she has her prince. That's all of her development-She has a prince.
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MaidofOrleans picked Aurora:
@wavesurf well we are obviously interpreting Merida's actions differently in those screencaps. When I look at them I see her sewing, smiling, and laughing. I'm not annoyed because I think everyone has to love Merida's development, I'm just annoyed because people are refusing to even acknowledge it despite the fact that her development is literally the point of the whole movie!
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UnholyNoise picked Ariel:
Her, Belle, Jasmine, or any of the classics. Mulan was probably the first DP to be given explicit character flaws that needed to be fixed as a part of her arc.

Anyway, unlike with Merida there's no lesson for Ariel to learn or flaws to overcome - she remains essentially the same person she was at the beginning and gets everything she wanted.

Merida needing to grow and change is actually a major plot point in the movie, I agree that a lot of people are being blinded by their dislike for her/preference for other characters.
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MaidofOrleans picked Aurora:
^ Completely agree. I think Poca was the first princess to go through any development, and Mulan was the first princess to go through significant development.
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AudreyFreak picked melati, melati, jasmine:
We don't "love" her development, we're just pointing out that it exists. And yes, a lot of you are being biased. Merida comes last in nearly every negative poll. Even here, someone seriously voted her out just for her looks!
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