Exclusive foto-foto of Game of Thrones’ Icy New Set at serigala, wolf bukit Quarry 

rumor of a new set taking shape in Northern Ireland and today, thanks to a Watchers on the Wall reader, we have proof!

While fans’ attention is wrapped up in the excitement of location filming in Spain, GoT crews have been quietly constructing a large snowy set at Wolf Hill Quarry, in the hills above Belfast.

The earlier report was uncertain of the new location, but now we have photo proof, submitted by WotW reader Loganx0.  The identifiable pink GOT signs are posted all along Crumlin Road, leading right to Wolf Hill Quarry and the set up there. The photo to the right is one of the signs, and so we have confirmation!

Wolf Hill Quarry was quiet when Loganx0 visited, so filming could be taking place during the evening/nighttime. However there might be no shooting yet, with crews still working on constructing the sets, since we can see several machines on site.

GoT has blanketed the area with fake snow and created an artificial icy surface, rather like an iced-over lake, similar to some of the Icelandic locations from earlier seasons.

You can also see a large green screen with snowy ground beneath it. The multiple aspects of the location creates the possibility that they could film by the green screen one day and by the icy surface on another- or on the same day, at different times.

Such an icy location points to season 7 taking us beyond the Wall. There are a few reasons that could happen- the Night King and his undead army are still out there, and some other spoilers hinted at a possible reason for living humans going beyond the Wall. Could it be connected to Kristofer Hivju‘s magnificent and snowy beard?

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Wolf Hill Quarry? What an appropriate name!

The wight hunt scene, apparently: a frozen lake with a small island, etc. I just hope that the showrunners will manage to give some reasonable motivation for that mission.

If you’re discussing the leak, you have to label it or we’re going to delete it. Not everyone wants the entire season spoiled for them.

So most of the shooting will be done there and not in Iceland?

That seems like a big leap to make when we really don’t know anything except what we see in front of us.

Season 7 possible scene [CONTAINS LEAK INFO]:

If Viserion really dies there…it will be one of the saddest(if not the saddest) death in GoT. I mean…a dragon’s death…a big dragon stabbing to death by hundreds of wights and the White Walkers…oh man…it will be tragic…

Love it.This is going to be some epic stuff I’m sure if it!!

I think it’s beyond doubt at this point that those leaks

are real and very accurate, everything they said turned out to be true so far.

I can’t tell if that makes me happy or worried. The set looks beautiful though. The photos are great.

Maybe some action scene beyond the wall.

Any mention of leak info needs to be labeled as such and spoiled-covered. Got it?

If leaks are true. It should be cool set piece. Jon is about to get his ass kicked. So much for greatest swordsman who ever walked. Sad about Viserion.

Worried about what? What part of the leak worries you?

If you are making any kind of reference to big old leak spoilers that were never published here and were certainly not in this post:

Sorry. I thought this ”Season 7 possible scene” would be enough.

wtf are you talking about?!Jon is the last man standing.He will be the best fighter not only because well he is Jon lol but they love to show off Kit cause he is great at it.It makes for cool tv.We will probably loose count of how many wights he takes out.Maybe he kills another ww who knows.

What are you going on about exactly? By the sound of Jon is not much of use in the fight and Iam not too happy about it. It even sounds werid , sincde he always got some good heroic action. Getting kicked around by a bear, I mean bear is tough animal and wight on top of it but we’re talking about Jon who fought and killed even white walker.

Do I like Jon being saved yet again? No. It happened with Stannis, LF and Sansa. Too much of him being saved by others, for once would like to see him acting.

There is some wight polar bear fighting or something, isn’t it? I think there is and it kills Thoros and Jon gets well beaten up and being kncoked around. As that redditor dude said Jon gets away half dead, which fits if you get attacked or almost killed by a bear.

OK, if the showrunners have decided so, the mission is absolutely necessary. I just wonder how many people will see that goddamned wight in the Dragonpit?

I actively seek spoilers, but this season those leaks really ruined the excitement of speculating for me. Even with the books, we weren’t sure how it was going to be adapted but leaks… If you haven’t read them, don’t make my mistake. Stay away from them.

And those who have read the leaks, please respect the ones who haven’t.

Reddit guy is wrong if he called it an island but it does take place by a lot of water so what difference does it make,I never used the word island, Because they’re not even really on an island. They’re like by the edge of the water on pack ice and the dragon make it worse by melting away a lot of it.

he posted his spoilers before reddit guy, and the got asked for them.

Jon Snow is no way the greatest swordsman in the story. Jon Snow is Jesus in the story…

Seriously guys, it’s not difficult. You’ve all been posting here long enough to know the rules.

Mods- you guys should have a three strike rule before banning the culprits. This place will be better off without them, frankly.. and will make your lives easier in the long run.

I’ll need to be drunker than Tyrion for this episode and the subsequent Jon bashing. People just love picking him apart don’t they…

you are confusing things.Read what the original leaker said.Jon will fight to the last minute.And he might be the best fighter but he is not invincible or immortal.Being saved by dragons or his uncle giving his life for him and bringing his arc to a conclusion is fitting and not at all demeaning to Jon’s character.Other people have to play a role too.He gets away half dead cause he is the last one fighting.Can you imagine how many he has taken out by that time?

We can see there’s an island. An island on the frozen lake. It’s not just some water.

I was really expecting a Dragon to die this season, but if the leaks are true, as they seem they are, I really didn’t see it coming in the way it will come, so it’s gonna be really tough. I love those dragons… I’m sure it will be the saddest scene of the whole show for me. And I doubt knowing about his death will prepare me in any way 🙁

Awesome. Hopefully this set is about as secure as Zumaia was. It would be nice to get some wintry pics to go with all the Spain spoilers.

I’m not sure whether this is standing in for the wight hunt or the opening scene of WW’s marching towards the Wall, but it will probably look amazing either way. It’s a tough call until we get an idea of how long they’re supposed to film here, who’s directing, and which cast members are participating. If they end up shooting the action portions of the wight hunt here and reserve Iceland mainly for backdrop shots, I don’t think the Iceland shoot will take nearly as long as originally expected.

And yeah, the same show-runners who had Jon fully recover from three arrow wounds in the space of about a week, getting his face smashed into an anvil by a Thenn without so much as scratch to show for it, and turning into a one-man army maybe 1-2 months after recovering from a series of fatal stab wounds are totally going to bench him for this sequence. That is completely in line with their MO for this character, which is why we were treated to Jon limping around in a feverish state throughout the entire Wall attack in Season 4. No choreography for Kit this year, D&D have enough money shots for that trailer thank you very much. I totally see the logic in internalizing some homophobic 4chan poster’s sad notions of masculinity and worth in favor of the description of the sequence provided by the one source who’s proven legit so far.

I’m sure all seven of them will get over it eventually, but Jon’s been winning post-Season 6 popularity polls just fine without their approval.

I’ve kind of been wishing I hadn’t read them but with so, so much time left before the season airs I’m guessing I’d eventually glean much of it anyway. Sure, if I stayed away from everything GoT until that point I could avoid it but since the show started I’ve been participating year around and I’m not going to change that. Once the show is completely over it won’t be the same to discuss the story so I have to take full advantage of it now.

I don’t feel at all that having read the supposed leaks will lessen my enjoyment watching the season though. I’m too big of a fan for that. While these apparent spoilers aren’t exactly like it was reading the books and then watching, since they’re mostly major plot points it isn’t much different since we knew the show would do the major parts of the published books at some point. I actually know less since there isn’t any context, no dialogue or knowledge of how or why they make decisions they will.

I have actually a screenshot of both spoilers right in front of me the only difference is about Jon.

He sounds immature, but nothing more to make him wrong.He is the only one who mentioned Tarly being part of the ambush and the actor who plays Tarly is already in Spain. Reddit spoilers guy didn’t mentioned him.

Jon goes North to capture an Undead – Dany goes too. He, Davos, Jorah and Gendry take a skiff to Eastwatch-On-The-Sea, where Tormund is manning. He has The Hound, Beric and Thoros in the Dungeon – they’ve been heading north too (following the ‘Lord of Light’s command that Beric has got into his head).

After an ill advised attack on Kings Landing(i think he means CR by the way here), Jon realises that what he needs to do is provide proof of the Undead Army. So he takes the Hound, Beric, Thoros and Tormund (yes, it’s another VERY fast hike north in Westoros, they like those in the show) to capture an Undead. They succeed, but Thoros bites it, and Dany has to come to the rescue at the last minute – during the battle the Night’s King kills Viserion as well, so it’s a costly affair.

No, she watches him fighting on an island against the Undead North of the Wall. Jon carries on fighting long after the others have escaped the horde, and she is flying above providing air support.

Don’t forget Jon covered in mud and blood and limping his way to kick Ramsay’s ass with only a shield, after fighting for half a day in a battle and getting trampled by men like he was at the Urban Outfitters opening on Black Friday.

This is entertaining reading. Thick with tension.

Does that lake look kinda small considering all the people and wights that are supposed to converge on it? Not to mention the big-ass dragon that’s supposed to fall into it. Well, maybe they’ll expand the lake with CGI. And I wonder what they will film behind the green screen. Seeing how out in the open this location is, I really hope someone manages to take pictures during filming. I’m dying to see Jon and the Hound fight side by side. And LOL believing Jon freakin’ Snow is going to get taken out by a polar bear. There’s no way D&D will pass up the chance to have their hero take on countless wights while giving his fellow fighters a chance to escape.

Dany gets a bit… determined, now that she’s set foot on Westeros. Which worries Varys and Tyrion, who have been hoping she isn’t as power mad as her dad. She torches a few rulers to make some points (including Sam’s Dad and brother), so she’s clearly not above using fear to rule after all.

He doesn’t mention him being part of the ambush, only the 4chan guy did

And then he mentions the battle and Jaime defeating the Tyrells and Dany heading with the Dothraki and Drogon for the Lannisters. Honestly, it’s not difficult to put the puzzle pieces together and realize the Tarlys were with the Lannisters based on what reddit guy said. She wouldn’t burn the Tarlys if they were on Olenna’s side.

he mentions the tarlys Dany rounds them up after the ambush and burns them.It’s only logical they would be there.And you have not read all of them he says how Jon escapes and how Dany looses the dragon

Good. I remember reddit freaking out about the Tarlys joining the Lannisters instead of the Tyrells. He also said something about Cersei convincing them to join her so….

They make such beautiful sets, there is something so majestic about a frozen lake, can’t wait to see the cinematography

This is what AwayfromtheLads said (straight from screenshot)

Again, Jon wasn’t involved in this conflict at all. And Tyrion isn’t always successful – when they round up the survivors after this altercation the Tarlys are among them – Cersei had persuaded them earlier to switch allegiance from The Reach to her, on the basis that she was the one true Queen. Randal Tarly actually really buys into this, and when Dany offers to let him bend the knee, he refuses. She orders Drogon to burn him and Dickon alive, which horrifies Tyrion – he can’t see the point.

I hate all spoilers, but i don’t see why one is right and the other is wrong. Both sound terrible and Jon has to be saved by someone. I’d rather be a Stark than Dany.

Anyway book Jon was never a great fighter so i don’t really care, since i believe he is Azor Ahai and he alone is the Song of Ice and fire…for me he is Jesus,

I didn’t see the ‘freaking out’ about Tarlys joining the Lannisters. To be honest I’m not a redditor other than simply skimming interesting topics so I missed that. Anyway, I don’t see Randyll Tarly joining the Lannisters as a surprise. Where the situation lies on the show I saw it as almost a certainty. Where the books are Kevan has put him into an important position on the small council as Master of Laws. Perhaps book Cersei doesn’t blow up Kevan, but even so, with Cersei on the throne she’s able to provide Randyll with more security and promises than any of the other depleted regions if he agrees to support her. He’s certainly one to take advantage of that.

Book Jon and show Jon are completely different characters. The latter has been portrayed as this brilliant swordfighter above everything else, mostly thanks to Kit’s skills with the sword.

Yeah some were pissed because they expected everyone in The Reach to join Olenna automatically lol

Yup. Note that Jon completely mind-over-mattered that limp moments after being thrown from his horse. Mad dash after Ramsay? No prob. Even the wildling archers in that courtyard were exchanging looks, all, “Can you believe this fucker?”

I’ve noticed some of the damsel!Jon and screwup!Jon laments resurfacing. The spoilers actually have Dany saving everyone

Jon while he holds off the hoard and buys her time. Benjen’s the one who actually saves him in the end, but it’s unclear why Jon gets left behind in the first place. How any of that is a neg against him, though, is beyond me. Jon asks Dany for her help from the get go and she refuses because she doesn’t believe in WW. She’s among the people he’s trying to convince. Had she joined the expedition from the very beginning, she could have surveyed the area from the air and seen a potential ambush coming from miles off. Once Jon and the others secured the wight, she could have used dragon fire to hold off any advancing wights and given them more than enough time to escape. How is her choosing to help only after the shit completely hits the fan in any way Jon’s fault? Unless Dany initially offers to come with them and Jon inexplicably tells her to wait on Dragonstone instead (now

is something I wouldn’t put past D&D after Season 6), he hasn’t fucked this up in any way. He does what he can with what they have, and if the ambush happens after Gendry is sent back to Eastwatch with the wight, the mission was already a success regardless of whether or not Jon personally made it back. That wight would have been transported south either way.

He arrived in Belfast a few days ago. So he’s probably filming there.

Exactly. We’re missing a lot of context. I also think some fans hold Jon to this impossibly high standard compared to many of the other characters. If he tells Dany to stay behind and she doesn’t listen…idk how we can blame him then lol. We desperately need context. I feel like this is a case where the showrunners think about a plot point they want to get to (NK gets a dragon and causes a lot of damage, explosions, VFX blabla) and they’ll bend the plot to suit their wants, which would result in some weird characterization. We kind of saw this with the Vale army last season. I also think Jon needs Dany and Cersei to stop fighting and focus on one thing. He can’t afford to have Dany’s army involved in multiple battles at the same time and he can’t afford Cersei attacking them while they’re busy fighting WW. He has to have them on the same page.

I think it’s this toxic mentality that ‘real men need to do everything themselves’ or ‘real men aren’t real men if they’re saved by someone else, especially by women’ that influences things. Notice that in many cases when Jon is helped by someone or someone shows support for him, that person is a woman: Ygritte speaking up for him when meeting the Lord of Bones, Craster’s wife helping him, Lyanna making him KITN, Mel resurrecting him, Sansa convincing him to fight Ramsay…the list goes on. Notice they never complain as much when the likes of Tormund, Stannis, Sam, and Davos help him. It also doesn’t help that the showrunners like to equate violence with strength (look at how Doran and Tommen are viewed as weak or stupid by some fans for not being aggressive warmongers).

I honestly think that this positions Jon far from the Mary Sue label, so I can’t complain.

That lake reminds me of one of the great scenes in cinema, the Battle on the Ice from Alexander Nevsky. I hope we see something half as good as that. Anyway, it’s a welcome change from all the Spanish news–you’d think nothing was happening up North. North is where the real, apocalyptic action should be. For all its fascinations, the Game of Thrones is getting rather old-hat. I hope it gets fully settled quickly (Cheerio, Cersei. Tarra, Littlefinger.) because in the Game of the Others, you win or you all die.

Sue, Luka, mods and everyone, please don’t pull your hair out. It is really hard to confidently hide spoilers. I try to just avoid them in what I write. But the other critical part of posters’ challenge is that you practically have to have a printout of all the leak material in front of you AND check before posting that you didn’t include leak material or even inadvertently speculate based on leak material you’d already assimilated weeks ago. It’s a minefield..

I really like how this Jon snow victim card played out . Poor Jon snow indeed

The leaker and his little fan fiction posse are posting on Reddit that you have basically confirmed his leaks are true now because of this reaction. Apparently you have an inside connection and because you haven’t denied it then it must be true, can you confirm or deny this statement?

I think you’re dead on with the toxic “real man” mentality certain segments of the fandom hold. Jon the weak-minded sex slave is a by-product of that kind of backwards thinking as well.

This is so rude and pretentious but so are most of your comments.

The leaker and his little fan fiction posse are postingon Reddit that you have basically confirmed his leaks are true now because of this reaction. Apparently you have an inside connection and because you haven’t denied it then it must be true, can you confirm or deny this statement?

Wow, that’s very rude. Get a life, will ya?

I’m glad I’m not the only one who looked at that post side-eyed. Grabbing popcorn and eagerly awaiting Sue’s response, lol.

When will u stop mixing legit leaks by one person with add-on fake ones by others?

people seem to want Jon to act like a Mary Sue. If he does, they then start calling him “Mary Sue”. If he doesn’t, they start saying he isn’t a real man, he is getting his ass kicked, useless etc. He can’t win either way. I am not too thrilled that the writers are giving him a “saved at the last moment” every damn season. Still, some of the fandom’s extreme reaction is ridiculous.

No matter how this plays out, I am expecting a lot of Jon bashing next season.

I feel a bit sad for those that are having to force themselves to avoid all these spoilers, like Dee for example, because she and others are massive fans that just want to discuss things. As I said, I don’t have the willpower like they do at this point. It goes beyond that though because I think they’ll end up spoiled quite bit while the season runs anyway since no matter how well comments are moderated the live episode discussions run fast. If the leaks unfold as true, one by one it will be difficult to avoid additional ones that are tossed into discussion. While it’s not a big deal to me it is to some.

Wow Kathy how rude! It might be time to slowly back away towards the exit & slink off into the darkness.

Spoilers, leaks, etc. can be taken with a grain of salt when they’re coming from the dark corners such as 4chan & Reddit. Whether they’re true or not doesn’t really matter, in the grand scheme of things. All they’ve given us are a few major plot points. No context, no dialog, no amazing shots on the screen, and no dramatic music.

If there’s anything I will confirm, that is that WotW is the only site that I rely on for info & a few spoilers here & there.

What I wouldn’t give for some Arya sightings right now.

Speaking of Jon… I still expect him to do something ‘fantastic’ before the series finale. His resurrection and Mel’s proclamations have been pushed into the background a bit, and I think that’s on purpose. Many already view Dany as something above mortal because of what they’ve shown her do. Jon has been set up to be the same imo, especially with blood of the dragon himself, but that’s being held back until they get to the appropriate part of the story. I feel like they’re lulling us in showing he’s simply a skilled regular guy until some point in the climax of the series when he’ll bust into extraordinary.

I didnt get onto the GoT or WOTW bandwagon until season 5, but seriously, the first 5 seasons were already spoiled by the books. Anyone who knew the books already knew the story, so why would anyone be upset about these spoilers or leaks? Part of the fun of all this is knowing the broad strokes and discussing and debating the details and nuances of how the show is going to pull them off.

Anyone who is going to enjoy the show less because of a spoiler must have never enjoyed the show the first 5 seasons.

If I didn’t know any better I’d say this is the Lake that Stannis is planning to lure the Boltons army to…

Grrr, I’ve been holding off on spoilers but are starting to catch them now, Off-season is simply too long!

I didnt get onto the GoT or WOTW bandwagon until season 5, but seriously, the first 5 seasons were already spoiled by the books. Anyone who knew the books already knew the story, so why would anyone be upset about these spoilers or leaks?

I’m a show watcher first, book reader second. I went into GOT knowing absolutely nothing about it but once I was hooked, I frequently used the ASOIAF wiki to spoil myself about all the major upcoming events. “Oh shit, Ned dies?!” “OMG, Robb and Cat are Red Wedding-ed?!”. “What do you mean my beloved Jon Snow is stabbed to death?!” Knowing all of that didn’t diminish my enjoyment of the show one bit, just like reading leaks and spoilers hasn’t ruined my anticipation for S7. While I do agree with you that book readers basically had the first 5 seasons spoiled for them, I also understand that

see the difference between book spoilers and internet leaks. It’s just a shame that the word “leaks” has become so divisive around these parts.

I think it’s beyond doubt at this point that those leaks

I can’t tell if that makes me happy or worried. The set looks beautiful though. The photos are great.

What the fuck is happening this year regarding so many leaks and spoilers! Its just getting silly. I’m surprised there’s been no official comments from B&W regarding this.

During the year when S6 was being filmed, the security was pretty tight. Ok, we got a few photos like the theater group in Braavos, Arya jumping off a wall and the fight at the Tower of Joy, but not much else. Certainly no major leaks regarding events that would happen.

I have no problem with the paps posting photos and fans speculating on what may happen, but when scripts or episodes get leaked its bad news. Whoever this guy is on Reddit who’s posting this stuff (and if the info is true) I can only think its someone with inside information? A member of the crew perhaps who needs to be rooted out and a stop put to this! Things posted on the Internet can be traced and its no big deal these days to do this?

I’m sure I speak for many, but I certainly have no desire to know what to expect when S7 airs.

You are a douche,we don’t need those type around here .

Totally. What do you think it will entail, any ideas? One speculation is it’ll be him ending up as the new Night’s king once he defeats him. That would be more bitter than sweet. For his fans at least.

What I wouldn’t give for some Arya sightings right now.

Me too! I want to know if she has a run in with Sandor…and what about “going home”. Will this girl make it to Winterfell? She would have to know that the Starks are back in control. The Jon and Dany stuff is great, who doesn’t love some good build up, but I am so friggin’ invested in Arya and Sandor that I watch for them first now.

If the spoilers are right about Dany burning the Tarlys, I would totally understand Tyrion and Varys’ worry about her becoming more like her Dad. Not that Randyll Tarly isn’t an asshole but ruling by fear….ut-oh. Not good. Isn’t that what the Masters did in Mereen?

Whoa. Am I confusing info? I swear polar bear fight was mentioned and Jon almost killed by that redditor. If so, could be turn of events like

2.WW attack comes afterwards and then Jon shines.

So both could be right? He gets knocked out and then fights or is polar bear part of white walkers attack? Iam confused wih this.

We got numerous pictures that spoiled the entire confrontation between the High Sparrow, Jaime, Mace, and the Tyrell soldiers. We also got clear photos of the Waif’s bloody knife that spoiled Arya getting stabbed and also Arya in the water post-stabbing. There was a drone that flew over the filming of the Kingsmoot that revealed Theon would be there. And, of course, the money shot of a very-much-alive Jon in Stark armor on a battlefield. So, yeah, there certainly was “much else”. As for season 6 leaks, there was a very detailed and accurate leak that dropped mid-season. So, this season is no different than last season in regards to spoilers and leaks.

At least you could’ve choose different gif, not with HP on it.

Both seem legit. Not much of it contradicts itself.

Jon and co gets attacked. Some injured including Jon, almost killed by that freaking bear, then comes Night King and his army. Redditor said it took Thoros several hours to die.

It might be Jon gets beaten up by a wight polar bear and then kick ass. It appears to be several hours between those two fights. If people are right. It kills Thoros and along with someone else.

I hope we get more Northern filming pics. We don’t know much about Bran, Arya, or Sansa.

If they are preparing the lake, that means Alan Taylor is shooting scenes or starting too. Which means – WEDDINGflash- back if you trust the leaks. Let the “find Rhaegarhype” begin. He will arrive.

It says that Tyrion and Varys worry about her not being able to control her impulses; her impulse being to ambush the Lannister army on their way back from plundering Highgarden. My understanding of those leaks (from screenshots of awayfromthelads reddit) are that Dany burns the Tarly’s because they turncoat on Olenna and House Tyrell in favor of the Lannister’s. The leaks say that she (Dany) then offers Lord Tarly to bend the knee and he refuses; she then proceeds to dracarys him and Dickon, and this horrifies Tyrion.

But from the screenshots I’ve seen, there’s no mention of them (Varys and Tyrion) being concerned about her potentially becoming like her dad nor of her ruling through fear. Not saying that version of the leaks is incorrect; I’ve seen other redditors claim it but there is no screenshot showing that it comes from awayfromthelads, at least as far as what I’ve seen. It is possible that I missed it

Disagree completely, bookJon and showJon are very much the same person: honorable, pragmatic, selfless, prone to losing their cool when angry, naive, lack of malice, introverts, brooders, strong hero complex, etc. The one major difference I see between them is Arya. BookJon adores Arya over everyone else, showJon hasn’t really thought about her much. The novels emphasize the Jon-Arya relationship very strongly, this perhaps explained by GRRM not being able to completely let go of his original idea for the characters. If he couldn’t make them lovers then he settled for given them a healthy and loving sibling connection.

I don’t think we need to be told that they worry about her becoming mad king. Every time she is going to use the dragon or every time she kills someone ..she will be called that ..because we always have to feel wrong when female characters kill ..and we should have tyrion remind her about mad king..

I think we must forget about harrenhall or field of fire and I don’t think anyone calls aegon mad king ..

I look forward to this scene and how even the execution of traitors also will be questioned and how it makes tyrion of all people worried so much … At this rate we should start calling him peter dinklage and not tyrion..

That polar bear scoop is from 4chan, not reddit (Lads only mentioned a polar bear fight, Thoros being killed by it and needing hours to die from his wounds). The 4chan guy seems to be some very young angry GOT/Jon Snow hater

Hey, the quote i posted is directly from screenshot, (which i posted here as welll but got erased)

He does use the word “like her dad” and “uses fear” for Dany

, because i am 100% sure for this and it’s rude to pretend that you didn’t read his public spoilers just to make another poster seem liar. If you want the sex and believe the leaks, you have to accept Dany lost the war and burned some people to establish fear about her as the leaks mention.

Everyone has to accept the plot if this is it. Jon becomes a sidekick, Jaime doesn’t leave Cersei, Sansa believes LF, Arya becames a killing machine, Cersei doesn’t know how to take moon tea, Euron is a joke and it goes on

I think I found the post from awayfromthelads that Kells was referring to, though I interpret it differently.

It’s unbelievable that Tyrion, of all people would be concerned with this. He supposedly knows all about Targ history, so as you say, he must know all about Aegon the Conquerer. The leaks literally says that Dany gives him a chance to bend the knee to atone for his treachery and he declines. From Dany’s POV, and from my POV, it makes perfect sense on why she would kill him. Hell, if I lived in this world, I wouldn’t have even given him the chance to bend the knee.

Also didn’t Varys promise Fire and Blood lol.

I genuinely have not seen a screenshot of that quote (I’m definitely not pretending lol) but I do think I found it through one of those sites that show deleted reddit posts. So apologies if it seemed like I was dismissing the quote you provided.

I do think both quotes (the one I initially posted and the one you posted) are pretty much the same though worded differently. I still think she toasts them because they turncoat rather than because she wants to instill fear. But we’ll see, we’re lacking context.

Guys, moving away from the leaks for a second, I’d just like to revisit our northern storyline. As I have been studying for exams these past couple of weeks I have not been able to read every post made on WOTW. Have we seen any pics of Maisie or Sophie? I feel like we are all completely in the dark with regards to Sansa’s story this season.

Sue, I hope this comment isn’t beyond the scope of the post! Feel free to delete it 🙂

That’s the most extraordinary thing he’ll do this season and he’ll need great stamina, hehe !

People are a lot more curious because the plot is drawing to a close, it’s a natural response – wanting to know more. I don’t blame them.

Same, I am so curious to see what she makes of the whole situation in Westeros, she is not Dragon’s Bay anymore. She is in the land of cunning snakes and devious, two-faced liars and traitors, she needs to showcase her power and ferocity otherwise they’d just stomp all over her.

I’m worried about how Dany’s part will play out, if she just sits and watches from a distance as the wights fight the boys or she just swoops in later without any warning and saves the day, either way I’m worried about how she gets there, what drives her there, about Viserion and about the dynamics between her and Jon afterwards with Jon being left behind and all, I’m worried she’ll be bashed yet again after saving the day. Not worried about Jon though, he’ll always be the beloved hero, if he almost dies in this battle, he’ll come back twice as strong. As for Dany,

there will be a dramatic shift of priorities from her part after that scene though, that I’m sure of. I hope it’ll be a change for the better.

God, I hope Alan Taylor knows what he’s doing !

Well that should make sense but somehow she being female ..her executions or kill must be questioned …and I am sure she will be smiling while she burns them ..

After last season BOTB episode and tyrion revealing about why Jamie killed aerys and their scene in the TWOW and from the D&D quote about how she is ruthless but not mad or cruel ..

I thought we will be over this whole mad king and move on…but apparently thats not the case..

When I spoke about how there was no time spent on some of her ruling or decision making scenes like in ADWD in the past seasons ..thr response was she is not a ruler but conqueror..

DANY SWOOPS IN TO SAVE HER BOO ! That’s what I’m talking about ! You go girl, save his White Wolf ass and them f*ck him on a boat !

Yeah, probably. In fairness, ever since S5 they’ve made every female character smile or act smug when killing someone. They’ve been fairly consistent in that regard so it doesn’t bother me as much. I guess it’s meant to show strength and badassness.

Yeah, they’ve got to create some sort of minor internal conflict between Dany and Tyrion. I thought we were moving on from that as well but whatever; I know she’s not going to go mad so I’m not bothered. I’ve already stated that it would be just as effective to try to counsel Dany out of showing compassion but I guess not.

I actually like that they’re making her conquest hard but I’m hoping we still see her implement some of ideas/plans from her previous conquests. She’s quite bright and cunning in that regard.

On a more positive note; I’m looking forward to Ramin Djawadi’s score for Dany this season. It always stands out for me. I’m particularly curious about the soundtrack for the boat scene lol

At least you could’ve choose different gif, not with HP on it. 😀

So excited for the boat scene score. I want tears to stream down my face and I want to be so excited that my knees kick me in the face as I’m sitting down !

Yeah that’s one thing we can always look forward to ..ramin will never disappoint us

The fact that we know she is not going to go mad is what makes me annoyed ..

We all know that’s not going to happen but why still hanging on that same point …I don’t know..just make her mad and be done with it

Iam not aginst making the conquest hard ..its just that they are rushing to reach the plot points and which makes characters act OOC and from what we know from leaks ..its not even a conquest ..she basically just going to take dragonstone and win an ambush or escape from one

Truly original writing that. Jon reduced yet again to damsel in distress. She likes him so much, she left him behind. Seems really weird.

Not complain about minor things like you do…

He is not someone who will be climbing a dragon and escape at the first chance he gets and leaves others who followed him on their own

He is someone who will ask dany to take others to safety while fighting to hold of the wights and he will ensure that everyone is safe and out of harms way before he decides to escape himself

By the way we do not even know dany does not come back for him..

There could not have been a place for jon to drogon to carry ..so she goes to drop those people first and while she is on her way benjen will help him fight and hold wights..

If Jon was supposed to ride a dragon…then this sequence is the most apt scene and situation in taking over rhaegal..I still think this is possible

You complain about his arc when he is the one character who is making the biggest impact in westeros and in the story..

No one listens to him because they are focused on their petty wars ..

He is literally left with no option other than go for this mission..

He manages to stop the war and make people believe in the threat ..atleast most of the people

So basically as D&D said Jon is overcoming the sefilsh individuals and ambituous ones being the only selfless one…

Jon snow’s populatrity only increased more after the episodes of Hardhome , WOTW and BOTB ..they did not go down and same will happen after this sequence

In all these wars How is a guy with no bigger army or any dragons was even supposed to win in the first place without getting others help….

If Jon is not to be saved by other then he should have been ruling the westeros from the start or command a biggest army or have dragons and wolves..

Last I checked no one in story questioned about his actions in BOTB or accused him for falling into Ramsey’s trap or his advisors worrying him about acting on impulse ..

At least now they can’t call him a Mary Sue or a special snowflake anymore lol. They took out his warging on the show (so no special powers), they have Jon openly admit his faults and mistakes (a Mary Sue is perfect at everything, or it’s never acknowledged openly that they made mistakes), we have other characters openly disagree with Jon on things instead of falling over themselves to please him and worship him, his special resurrection gets downplayed (what god? lmao). I can go on…

I never thought there will be a word that will make me annoyed as reading Mary sue or plot gifts or plot armor until i read a word ” Submissive Boy Toy ” ..

My god I was reading a season 7 thread on westeros and this word is used there so many times..I got sick of it

I agree ! Jon is brave, strong, fearless, selfless, compassionate and caring. It doesn’t matter if he needs saving or not, it wouldn’t make him worth any less to me. He will never be a Mary Sue, he has proved his worth time and time again. And if

Dany saving him does change the way you feel about him as a man, as a warrior or as a leader, no offense but you’re not a true Jon fan. He’ll be left behind for saving others first, without a doubt and he’ll survive. That’s the kind of man he is.

And some people still call him a Mary Sue, lol.

The leaks don’t mention Rhaegal at all in this sequence. All the others escape on Drogon apparently (The Hound, Tormund, Jorah and the Wight) and Viserion is killed. So where is Rhaegal? It’s not clear if he even takes part in this fight.

As before, I disagree with your assertion that Jon never gets blamed,especially after BOTB. If you truly believe that, I am going to guess you just did not check out the online reaction immediately after that episode aired.

As for next season, there are plenty of people who are blaming him for the Wall coming down lol (among the people who have read the leaks),even though he had no idea that any dragon would be coming beyond the Wall.

I was speaking about in universe ..i believe i mentioned in the story in that post and not in the fandom like now

Anyway The ones who complain saved or dumb and about all this is his very fans ..

Dont worry the blame will be shifted to dany because she is the one who brings the dragons there..

I don’t even know how one can blame for something like that…if she doesn’t show up all this characters will die..

Is that OK with these guys I don’t know..

Maybe it should be Bran’s fault that he didn’t have a vision of this mission and warn Jon and Dany about not taking dragons to north of the wall ..

Its got me intrigued as well there is no mention of rhaegal at all in spoiler. ..I don’t believe there will be any other riders in the story but if Jon is supposed to be a rider this will be the right moment to do it..

I still have hope that there are many thinks we do not know about for certain from the leaks..

Sansa was literally questioning and disagreeing with Jon in everything he was doing lol.

My guess has always been, if Jon is to ride a dragon, it will be after he knows the truth about his parentage. Like, he would think that the dragons would probably only bond with Targaryens. So unless he knew that he himself was one, he wouldn’t even try to ride one.

After last season ended, I wasn’t sure if anybody other than Dany would ride the dragons. But now I do believe that Jon will ride Rhaegal (reasons because Viserion gets a rider and there are dragon bonding scenes for Jon next season) and it will happen only after he knows the truth about his parentage (which means S8) . This is just my guess of course, I might be wrong.

I don’t see how anyone can blame either Jon or Dany for the Wall falling down. Their actions are completely understandable based on their motivations. That’s not going to stop people from blaming them, of course.

As for the leaks, I think Lads has been proved correct on almost all major plot points. What’s missing is the context and the character motivations, which actually make all the difference. I am going to wait until the episodes air to judge how I feel about all this.

It would be super cool if in fact Dany doesn’t need to come back and save him because while she is taking everyone to safety Rhaegal comes to Jons aid and then just sits there for a second…. and then Jon gets on and they fly away. If this happened before he found about his parentage it would be even better because it would make the eventual reveal more believable to others. “Ooooh of course, that why he was able to ride a dragon!” 🙂

The leaks are like a basic summary, there are still a lot of gaps to fill in. A lot of people these days are just looking for plot holes and “bad writing”. Instead of people just trying to think about and point out what is wrong with the leaks, I think it might be more productive to try and figure out what the motivation behind these actions are.

We can try to fill out the gaps and details within the leaks, instead of just trying to find fault with them. Of course D&D isn’t always perfect, there were certain aspect of season 6 that wasn’t good, but for the most part their characterizations has made sense as far as the story they have been telling.

Going from that idea, I think I could reasonably come up with an arc for Jon and Dany this season.

I think Jon could actually have a great arc in season 7. It might even be his best yet.

Jon basically wants to assemble a force to fight against the White Walkers as soon as possible. He also needs weapons such as dragonglass, for such a force.

He goes to Dany in episode 2 or 3, he tries to convince her to fight against the White Walkers but she simply does not see it as her first priority after waiting years to come to Westeros. She first wants to defeat the Lannisters or Cersei.

Jon really becomes stuck in the middle of these Southern conflicts.

Dany launches a large scale campaign on Westeros, but perhaps she stretches her forces too much. She wants to attack Euron or the Iron Islands, Casterly Rock and the Westernlands and Kings Landing. At the same time the Reach and Dorne must also be protected.

That gives Euron the chance to gain a victory against Yara, and to capture some of her allies (the Sandsnakes and Yara).

It also gives the Lannisters a chance to fight against the Reach. They will properly really need supplies within Kings Landing. Dany actually suffers some losses against the Lannisters.

After finding out about her defeat in the Reach and Olenna’s death, she rides out against the returning Lannister army, and ambushes them before they can reach the capital. Dany and Olenna was obviously betrayed by the Tarly’s, which is also how the Lannisters gained the upperhand.

Dany could be furious about this betrayal.

She does burn them after the ambush. Burning people alive isn’t good, but they committed treason, they were always going to die one way or another.

In the meantime Jon has to wait and sit around at Dragonstone doing nothing. He has to wait for her return because they haven’t reached an agreement yet. This must make him really impatient. Despite his warnings, and him trying his best to convince Dany of the real threat she is not taking him that seriously. Or perhaps she believes that the White Walkers can wait until she is done with her conquest of Westeros.

In the meantime more and more people are getting killed before they had the chance to fight against the White Walkers.

Tyrion might see and understand some of Jon’s impatience, and his concerns about this war. That is perhaps why Tyrion comes up with the idea of talking to Jaime, in order to convince Jaime to hand over Kings Landing more peacefully, without further unnecessary fighting.

Jon can see the merits of conquering Kings Landing quickly without any further bloodshed, so he “lends” Davos for the mission.

Tyrion and Davos goes to Kings landing in episode 5 while Jon is still waiting, hanging around Dragonstone. Jaime does not want to hand over Kings Landing peacefully, their mission is unsuccessful, but they do pick up Gendry along the way.

At this stage Jon has been sitting around and waiting for a long time. All of the possible solutions for a quick and easy victory over Kings Landing has been exhausted. He is no closer to gaining Dany as an ally at this stage or to at least stop the fighting.

The big problem for Jon is that no one is taking the White Walker threat seriously.

Jon needs to make another plan in order for Westeros to stop killing each other and focus on the real threat. This is basically the same as him trying to save the Wildlings. The war between Cersei and Dany creates two problems. One is that they are killing off soldiers that can be used to fight against the wights and the White Walkers. The second problem is that war creates a lot of dead bodies. All of these dead people could perhaps be resurrected. From Jon’s perspective the fighting needs to stop. So he decides that he needs to find concrete proof, so that people can understand the urgency.

Jon wants Dany for an ally, but Dany doesn’t want to fight unless the Cersei/ Kings Landing problem is resolved. So Jon decides to go on a wight hunt. He will bring the proof to them. Dany is likely not completely against the idea of fighting the White Walkers, she just thinks that they have more time, and she wnt to focus on winning Kings Landing. As a sign of goodwill she “lends” Jorah for the expedition. Jorah is also one of her best advisors, he would be able to tell her what is really going on, and he is a Northmen.

Jon and his group of adventurers leave Dragonstone in episode 5. After they have left, Dany suddenly has an epiphany that she has to rescue them, and she flies after them with her dragons. This is perhaps some place where Bran might be having an affect on the story, it could be Bran who sends her some kind of a message.

Of course what Jon doesn’t realize is that the Nights King is also a greenseer just like Bran, since he was able to touch Bran when Bran was using the Weirwood network.

The Nights King can see that Jon and Dany’s dragons are on their way.

Jon decides on a small party because he wants to move quickly, but of course the Nights King knows about his movements. The wight hunting party becomes surrounded by wights and White Walkers. Dany arrives and with the help of her dragons she saves them.

But Jon tells them to get a wight and leave while he stays behind and keeps on fighting, so that he can give the others a better chance of escape. Dany watches from above Drogon as Jon keeps on fighting. She tries to help him until Viserion is killed.

Bran could actually be the one who save the day, by sending uncle Benjen to save Jon. This is really something that I think would make sense. In the books we see that Bloodraven sends Coldhands to help Bran and his party. Jon finally escapes, and he returns to Eastwatch. After these events they organize a parlay with Cersei in the Dragonpits.

I dont think they necessarily want Cersei as an ally, it is more about creating a temporary truce or a ceasefire, so that they can focus on the real war.

After showing off the wight in Kings Landing, Dany finally decides to go North with Jon.

After Jon had just once again seen the Nights Kings, and he even saw a dragon getting killed, he feels that it is imperative that he would do anything to get help to fight against them.

It makes sense that he would kneel if Dany promised that she would really help against the fight with the White Walkers. Ultimately he wants to try and save the North, it does not help to stay independent if everyone is dead and turned into zombies.

But I think Dany will turn down his offer, or she will at least tell him that they should fight against the White Walkers as equals. For the last couple of seasons we have not seen that much character development from Dany. She is always acting very righteously, and she does have some justification for acting in such a manner since she has been dealing with slave masters, and she has been on a mission to free slaves.

But I think we might see Dany being slightly humbled by Jon. Dany will witness Jon going on this dangerous mission, in order to warn other people about this ancient threat. She will witness Jon, who is the King, staying behind in order to give others such as the Hound who is known as a criminal, a chance of escaping with their lives, and in order to complete this mission, so that people can be warned.

She will finally see this great threat for herself, and she will also see that Jon is willing to lay down his title in order to protect his people.

This is completely different and the opposite from the people and rulers that Dany has seen and experienced in the past.

Unlike most other characters Jon isn’t driven by righteousness, vengeance, revenge or even a sense of justice, he is just trying to save as many people as he can. I think she will feel slightly humbled and she will tell him that they should fight as equals. Then we will properly get boat sex.

In the end I think both Dany and Jon could actually have great stories in season 7.

So, getting back to the topic at hand – and these amazing pics (Thanks Loganx0!), I’ve just managed to blow these up and noticed that they’re building a large opening or rock/ice channel at the back of the quarry.

Could this be another entrance through the Wall? Or a breach perhaps?

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