This artikel is basically about something i keep seeing around the Debat spot atau on other Debat forum and it is, in my opinion the rudest and most insulting thing anda can do in debate
no I am not talking about swearing
no I am not talking about denying the existence of someone's believes
no I am not even talking about flashing your opponent to distract them
I am talking about the one line comment
some of anda may be slightly confused as to why I get so annoyed sejak this so let me clear things up
I have no issue with people bringing up a new point that they have just summed up in a short space, I also have no issue with people making a komen on the on going Debat itself atau with people just asking a soalan atau injecting a piece of new information, all them are perfectly worthy one line komen-komen and contribute to the debate.
what I am complaining about (yes I am not denying this is just a big fat rant) is when someone writes a completly pointless one lined komen in response to a well researched and thought out decent piece of debate, that someone has put effort in to.
These rude one liners might say something that has already been covered atau something that has already been discredited in the above komen-komen atau something that is just plain ignorant and false, do anda get what I mean now?
I could go on to point fingers....or virtually shake some users but instead out of politeness I will make up an example for anyone still a little bit unsure as to where I am going with this
soo for example If the Debat was
"this house believes that coca cola should be banned"
someone agreeing with this motion might research and say something along the lines of
"coca cola has been sued many times for containing unethical products such lindane, DDT, malathion and chlorpyrifos and other chemicals that can contribute to cancer and a breakdown of the immune system. It also contains many calories harmful to your weight and health and sugar and additives that are harmful to your teeth. There have also been studies that is physically addictive, while these have not been proven yet it does contain lebih caffeine that a regular cup of coffee. It is clear the company is unethical and unless it is shut down it will carry on to pollute people's bodies and buy it's way out having to obey laws"
now that was mainly some stuff I rephrased off good old wikipedia but if anda saw that and didn't know that surly anda would see this person has researched about the company, they have a valid point and have even ended it with a nice strong statement and have put a little effort in to their opinion
so isn't it so rude for someone to reply with any of the following
"why bother debating this, it's just a soda"
"NO WAY cola rocks!"
"prove it"
"cola doesn't harm anyone"
the first is just annoying, this the Debat spot we can Debat what ever we want, if I want to start a Debat about "which is lebih boring; watching paint dry atau listening to morons" and someone else is willing to argue the other side, then's it's a debate, might not be one anda are interested in but anda don't have to sertai in, anda don't have to say anything on the matter at all atau even read it....although if your going to start making similar komen-komen to the ones above anda would probably help the side I would be voting for.
Debat doesn't have to be about huge life changing issue that effect the world. It doesn't have to be a complicated issue atau a moral atau ethical one
The definition of Debat is simply
"To engage in an argument sejak discussing opposing points."
that means anything from abortion to types of bantal can be debated
The saat erm....yeah if your leaving komen-komen like that in a none ironic way maybe I should say this slowly
That is not debating.
The third one, in no formal Debat have I ever seen in any of the rules anda have to site your sources, most statistics and facts are manipulated to favor one side atau the other, heck some are just plain made up for the hell of it. It's not the point, the point is how anda use that information in your arguement.
Of course anda have every right to soalan someone's information but at least address why anda doubt it. And certainly don't have the cheek to leave a one line komen saying
"where'd anda hear that from? it's actually blah blah blah!!!!!!!!"
with out stating your source!
The final one this is my ultimate pet peeve and komen-komen like that is what inspired this whole whiny rant
why bother commenting if your not going to read the komen-komen before you...in fact why should we read yours, I'm guessing most of us wouldn't bother except for the fact it's so short and simple we only have to accidentally glance at the screen and we involuntarily have read it.
Just because anda have thought one thing all your life doesn't make everyone else is wrong, just because a idea is radical doesn't make it wrong and just because anda think a one line komen will make a decent point doesn't make it right.
If someone has stated a point with their own opinion, logic and facts, anda just denying that flat out would literally get laughed out of a Debat competition....well at least in the English regionals anda would, I'm not kidding, debating brits in tweed are mean! Especially to morons.
I guess I better get to the actual point of this article.
I find it disrespectful to ignore someone if anda were talking to them in person and I find it just as disrespectful to do it here. anda wouldn't interrupt a conversation with something like "why are we bothering to talk about this" atau "ha! well your wrong".
So please if anda really are a peminat of debate;
-Read what people have written
-think about your own responses
-think about new ideas
-keep a open mind
-remeber everything can be debated
-you don't have to talk about every point someone has brought up but at least acknowledge some of their comments
-don't presume your right because anda have picked the popular answer
-if anda want to re-visit a point, say anda feel it's lebih valid atau holds lebih sway in the argument atau anda just feel it hasn't been explored enough. There are many ways for anda to sneakily reuse a point and it's a good debating tatic
-related to last bullet point, don't be a nuri, burung nuri and mindlessly repeat things, some people are morons but most of us will notice the same point with just one word changed
-don't be scared to just state anda agree with someone atau think someone has debated a certain point well
-also don't be scared to say anda don't really know, most people on here will be nice to enough to explain to anda atau link anda to somewhere that will. There is one user on here who always says when she doesn't know and it take guts especially when there's plenty of people who also don't really know but like to pretend they do.
-remeber the last person to speak isn't always the right one
Anyways rant over for now, people will probably still make these incredibly rude komen-komen that ignore and disrespect the sebelumnya arguments but hopefully some of the people who weren't doing it intentionally might think about forming their arguments more
Sorry if I appear to have been rude atau plain bitchy in this artikel and I am sure your sick of hearing me saying moron atau being condescending but this artikel wasn't aimed at everyone, those of anda that it was aimed at know who anda are....possibly, maybe not, I might be over estimating you
but anyways anda are all perfectly welcome to Debat my approach to this subject atau whether these komen-komen are worthy to debate.....but if anda make a completly pointless komen just know while i am ignoring anda i will be whispering "moron" under my breath :)
no I am not talking about swearing
no I am not talking about denying the existence of someone's believes
no I am not even talking about flashing your opponent to distract them
I am talking about the one line comment
some of anda may be slightly confused as to why I get so annoyed sejak this so let me clear things up
I have no issue with people bringing up a new point that they have just summed up in a short space, I also have no issue with people making a komen on the on going Debat itself atau with people just asking a soalan atau injecting a piece of new information, all them are perfectly worthy one line komen-komen and contribute to the debate.
what I am complaining about (yes I am not denying this is just a big fat rant) is when someone writes a completly pointless one lined komen in response to a well researched and thought out decent piece of debate, that someone has put effort in to.
These rude one liners might say something that has already been covered atau something that has already been discredited in the above komen-komen atau something that is just plain ignorant and false, do anda get what I mean now?
I could go on to point fingers....or virtually shake some users but instead out of politeness I will make up an example for anyone still a little bit unsure as to where I am going with this
soo for example If the Debat was
"this house believes that coca cola should be banned"
someone agreeing with this motion might research and say something along the lines of
"coca cola has been sued many times for containing unethical products such lindane, DDT, malathion and chlorpyrifos and other chemicals that can contribute to cancer and a breakdown of the immune system. It also contains many calories harmful to your weight and health and sugar and additives that are harmful to your teeth. There have also been studies that is physically addictive, while these have not been proven yet it does contain lebih caffeine that a regular cup of coffee. It is clear the company is unethical and unless it is shut down it will carry on to pollute people's bodies and buy it's way out having to obey laws"
now that was mainly some stuff I rephrased off good old wikipedia but if anda saw that and didn't know that surly anda would see this person has researched about the company, they have a valid point and have even ended it with a nice strong statement and have put a little effort in to their opinion
so isn't it so rude for someone to reply with any of the following
"why bother debating this, it's just a soda"
"NO WAY cola rocks!"
"prove it"
"cola doesn't harm anyone"
the first is just annoying, this the Debat spot we can Debat what ever we want, if I want to start a Debat about "which is lebih boring; watching paint dry atau listening to morons" and someone else is willing to argue the other side, then's it's a debate, might not be one anda are interested in but anda don't have to sertai in, anda don't have to say anything on the matter at all atau even read it....although if your going to start making similar komen-komen to the ones above anda would probably help the side I would be voting for.
Debat doesn't have to be about huge life changing issue that effect the world. It doesn't have to be a complicated issue atau a moral atau ethical one
The definition of Debat is simply
"To engage in an argument sejak discussing opposing points."
that means anything from abortion to types of bantal can be debated
The saat erm....yeah if your leaving komen-komen like that in a none ironic way maybe I should say this slowly
That is not debating.
The third one, in no formal Debat have I ever seen in any of the rules anda have to site your sources, most statistics and facts are manipulated to favor one side atau the other, heck some are just plain made up for the hell of it. It's not the point, the point is how anda use that information in your arguement.
Of course anda have every right to soalan someone's information but at least address why anda doubt it. And certainly don't have the cheek to leave a one line komen saying
"where'd anda hear that from? it's actually blah blah blah!!!!!!!!"
with out stating your source!
The final one this is my ultimate pet peeve and komen-komen like that is what inspired this whole whiny rant
why bother commenting if your not going to read the komen-komen before you...in fact why should we read yours, I'm guessing most of us wouldn't bother except for the fact it's so short and simple we only have to accidentally glance at the screen and we involuntarily have read it.
Just because anda have thought one thing all your life doesn't make everyone else is wrong, just because a idea is radical doesn't make it wrong and just because anda think a one line komen will make a decent point doesn't make it right.
If someone has stated a point with their own opinion, logic and facts, anda just denying that flat out would literally get laughed out of a Debat competition....well at least in the English regionals anda would, I'm not kidding, debating brits in tweed are mean! Especially to morons.
I guess I better get to the actual point of this article.
I find it disrespectful to ignore someone if anda were talking to them in person and I find it just as disrespectful to do it here. anda wouldn't interrupt a conversation with something like "why are we bothering to talk about this" atau "ha! well your wrong".
So please if anda really are a peminat of debate;
-Read what people have written
-think about your own responses
-think about new ideas
-keep a open mind
-remeber everything can be debated
-you don't have to talk about every point someone has brought up but at least acknowledge some of their comments
-don't presume your right because anda have picked the popular answer
-if anda want to re-visit a point, say anda feel it's lebih valid atau holds lebih sway in the argument atau anda just feel it hasn't been explored enough. There are many ways for anda to sneakily reuse a point and it's a good debating tatic
-related to last bullet point, don't be a nuri, burung nuri and mindlessly repeat things, some people are morons but most of us will notice the same point with just one word changed
-don't be scared to just state anda agree with someone atau think someone has debated a certain point well
-also don't be scared to say anda don't really know, most people on here will be nice to enough to explain to anda atau link anda to somewhere that will. There is one user on here who always says when she doesn't know and it take guts especially when there's plenty of people who also don't really know but like to pretend they do.
-remeber the last person to speak isn't always the right one
Anyways rant over for now, people will probably still make these incredibly rude komen-komen that ignore and disrespect the sebelumnya arguments but hopefully some of the people who weren't doing it intentionally might think about forming their arguments more
Sorry if I appear to have been rude atau plain bitchy in this artikel and I am sure your sick of hearing me saying moron atau being condescending but this artikel wasn't aimed at everyone, those of anda that it was aimed at know who anda are....possibly, maybe not, I might be over estimating you
but anyways anda are all perfectly welcome to Debat my approach to this subject atau whether these komen-komen are worthy to debate.....but if anda make a completly pointless komen just know while i am ignoring anda i will be whispering "moron" under my breath :)
