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Debat Should Students Be Allowed To Wear Sexual Orientation Shirts To School?

41 fans picked:
Yes
   66%
No
   17%
As long as its not putting down another...
As long as its not putting down another orientation
   7%
(added by DramaQueen1020)
It depends on which sexuality
   5%
If they have to wear a school uniform then no
If they have to wear a school uniform then no
   5%
(added by Book-Freak)
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
I can't see why not.
It's freedom of speech and it's not hurting anyone.
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youknowit101 picked No:
Just avoid the controversy all together. They do it with religious apparel.
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Cinders said:
^^ youknowit101 raises a good point. However, I have always been against the concept of limiting religious apparel in schools.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
"Just avoid controversy all together"

You mean... stick your head in the sand and pretend like everything is made of rainbows and cupcakes?

"However, I have always been against the concept of limiting religious apparel in schools"

I am with you on this. I got this silver necklace with a cross on it when I turned sixteen and I haven't taken it off ever since, and I'm not planning on doing that either. I'd feel naked.
But what if someone has a necklace with the symbol of homosexuality on it? Is that person supposed to take it off? I identify myself partially with me being a Catholic, so what if that person identifies him/herself by being homosexual? Should you take away a part of someone's identity because not everyone is gay and some people are homophobic?

Besides if you want to ban shirts like; "I <3 Gays" then you have to ban the "I <3 Geeks" shirts as well, because not everyone is a geek and it's controversy.
Not that I actually want that, but people are wearing shirts that are way worse. I've seen shirts like; "Your girlfriend, my girlfriend" "I support single mom's(yeah I've been to vegas...)" "I <3 Geeks" "Abracadabra... crap you're still fugly" "All the awesome dudes play pokémon"
So why can't you wear a shirt saying "All the cool girls are lesbians"?

To me, this shows that the US government is still homophobic.

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youknowit101 picked No:
No.
School is busy enough already, you don't need to pile religious and sexuality politics on top of everything else.
School isn't the entire world. These issues can be delt with other places.
A small necklace isn't going to do anything unless it holds an incriminating message like "Catholics are better that Jews" or "Lesbians are cooler than heterosexuals".
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I'm fine with prideful shirts.
Shirts that suggest one sexuality is better or cooler than the other is not fine. I don't agree that the girl should have been allowed to wear that particular shirt. It's seems a bit disrespectful.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
@youknowit101 Actually, school is the place where you're supposed to learn to function in society after you leave. By ignoring topics like this the school would just become a place where kids learn stuff by heart to forget it the day after the test.

And mostly, those shirts are worn as a joke. They don't actually mean it. It's the same like "All the cool people wear glasses" or "You're awesome... if you wear braces" except because society is still a bit overly sensitive about the sexuality shit, those sexuality shirts are banned.
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youknowit101 picked No:
Your sexuality and religion is a part of your identity. Braces and glasses are devices you wear. Being a geek is just a lable. There's a difference.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
Sure there's a difference about the definition, but it's still about being able to express yourself at school.
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youknowit101 picked No:
Express yourself in a civil way at school. Be as politically incorrect as you want outside of school. Wearing lesbian shirts at school shouldn't make student retain information any better.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
Didn't you read what I said?
I said that the school is like a sort of training/boot camp for the "real world" outside for when you are a grown-up.
If you want to make the school all "sterile" and have no controversy whatsoever, then those students aren't getting any better at handling controversities when they leave school.

And about the "school is busy enough already"; How busy do you think you are when you graduated from school? Work, loans, insurances, rents, everything.

School is not just about retaining information and getting good grades. It's a place to learn how to handle controversities because everyone is different.
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youknowit101 picked No:
Unless you go to a boarding school, you're allowed to leave the building and enter the "real world" while going to school at the same time.
The "real world" consists of boundries and restrictions. Putting restrictions on students isn't shielding them from real life, it's being exactly like real life.
I go to college full time while owning a business, dealing with lawyers, I was in and out of courtsrooms every week, and I payed bills, and care for my cousin with Autism. I know what it's like to be busy. School is busy also. Wearing a tshirt about my religion or sexuality wouldn't make my life today any different or easier.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
Well I'm still in High School, but outside of the gym, I barely go into the "real world" why? Because I have so much homework and studying to do that I cannot leave my desk =S.
I wasn't saying you didn't know how it is to be busy I was just saying that "real life" is just as busy as school so you'll have to learn how to deal with it.
And no, it woulnd't make YOUR life different or easier but maybe to someone who just came out of the closet finds it easier to wear those t-shirts so everyone gets the point than telling everyone.
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youknowit101 picked No:
So you're saying school is busy, right? That's what I said. You spend all day doing school work. Would adding extra social politics into the mix lighten your load somehow?
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
I'm saying school is as busy as the real life.

So there's no reason to stall social politics to when we're all 20 while society expects us to be able to get along with social politics.
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pandawinx picked Yes:
"They do it with religious apparel"

Do they? In most schools I've visited, Muslim students are allowed to wear the hijab, and Christians with crucifixs. Then again, I suppose different schools have different rules, i guess.

I don't see how someone expressing their beliefs in the form of clothing is controversial, but i suppose that's a different topic.

Anyway, im proud to wear my lesbian-pride shirt in sixth form college classes. "TACOS!" XD <3
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In my schools, Muslims had to get permission from the school to wear the Hijab.
In most schools, they ban "distracting" religious apparal, not every single item of clothing that can possibly be associated with religion. It's really up to the administration's discretion. A shirt that says "I havte Muslims" or "Christianity is superior/cooler/better than Mormonism" can distract people and can be easily deemed offensive.

I don't see why it's any different when it comes to one's sexuality.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
^ The examples that you're giving are way different from the shirt the girl was wearing.
Her shirt said; "all the cool girls are lesbians"
Your example would says; "this or that is better than this or that"

She wasn't directly stating lesbians were better than straights. she didn't even say what the straight girls are. maybe she meant to say; straight girls are awesome, but the lesbians are cool.

Your examples are way different from the girl's shirt, because she isn't hating on anyone.
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DarkCEpitome picked Yes:
^But the phrases "all cool girls are lesbians" and "Christians are smarter than Muslims" aren't different in terms of decadence.

In both cases, there is a group that is being put down, which seldom is right and shouldn't be allowed on school grounds for students of the scapegoated group to see and feel insulted or even isolated by.


As for my opinion;

I see nothing wrong with sexual orientation T-shirts that express pride and confidence for one's sexuality. But T-shirts that are combative such as ones saying, "Be Christian, we don't put towels on your wives' or daughters' heads as means of 'respect' ", I believe should be prohibited because of it's potential of causing direct offense.

Edit: Additional Words.
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chaann

Oh yes, that was my mistake. I guess since the followup pick phrased it that ways, and previous comments phrased it that way, I got mixed up.

Anyways, I still don't see it as a nice or even neutral gesture toward other sexuality. A simple "lesbians are cool" would be fine, but being so absolute and suggesting that only lesbians are cool (joke or no joke) is overstepping it.
I think it's even worse than putting one religion above the other because it's not like their beliefs clash. It's just something pulled out of nowhere that insults people.
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Chaann94 picked Yes:
^ I think I'm gonna agree with you.

But a ban on all sexual orientation shirts that would be a bit overreacting.
I think they should ban provoking shirts or discriminating shirts for that matter.
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zanhar1 picked Yes:
Just like hair and religious symbols it's freedom of expression. I don't think that wearing a ceritan shirt would make the workload of school heavier. The most one would get is 'hey man, nice shirt'. Most people I know don't look at a shirt, go up to the wearer and say 'hmm, I disagree with your shirt bro.'
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