What are your theories on who killed Queen Tatiana?

like ive berkata before on this website... i think it was a royal who knew tatiana knew about lissas half sibling because ambrose mencuri the file on lissas dad (thats why he was gone for a few days) and the royal knew that information would put lissa on the coucil and ruin whatever he/she had planned.

Oh this is a hard one, another royal, may be a twist and adrian's mother did it framing rose I know she acts like she lkes rose but she may be pretending!! Also in last sacrifice I think dimitri says tht he done it too help save rose but then they both are on trial as he can be seen as an accomplice. I Cinta rose and dimitri being together and hate the way Lissa was being with rose about him not wanting to see her. Cant wait for the book to come out!!

First I thought Ambrose killed her, because he could and he was gone for a while... but now I think he mencuri the Dragomir file because he was likely to know already and wanted proof because he was against this age degree.....

but who killed her? I don't know.. I'm thinking Adrian!?
He's someone nobody will suspect, has the opportunity...and can use compulsion better then a normal Moroi so he could have access without anybody knowing... he was also awake and up, since he then came to Rose.. not so sure about the motive though.. but it's a great way to get rid of Adrian and make angkasa for Dimitri again! am I totally off? hahaha
Otherwise I'm thinking Mikhail ...?
who has the motive???

I think that it was Rose's dad who could've been behind it!

hmmm i had i few ideas when i read it, but in not 100% sure. For some reason, i think that maybe Adrian's mom...daniella did it? Idk why, she just became a suspect in my mind lol. I was also thinking that maybe ambrose did it...ik that hes really protective of her, but anda see, thats why. Like nobody would ever expect him! Maybe rose's father had someone kill her?
Idk, but i cant wait for the seterusnya book to come out! I Cinta how dimiri protected her :D

Ok, so i've gotta totally and completely agree with BeachChickxoxo. That's exactly what I thought about Ambrose and Adrians' mom. Who ever has killed her, the reason for her death was probably the new law thing they were signin'. Like the last straw.
I thought maybe because how Ambrose was gonna talk to her and maybe somethin' happened when they were talkin' and he kinda freaked.
But the problem to that is, how would he have gotten Roses' stake? That means he how have had it before he talked to the Queen.
But, no ones seen him after he seen Rose that once.
And with Adrians' mom. She never has seemed to like the Queen at all, that part is obvious.
I thought maybe even Victor. He's got a motive, he's cruel enough, and he's got his own sorces to get in and out of Court.
Rose may have gotten him outta jail, but that doesn't mean he's all buddy-buddy with her now. He may want to try to get rid of her, so that he can have Lissa - for her spirit.
He may have his brother, but he seems to care too much for him to make Robert heal him so much and in turns hurt Robert.

So I've lead it down to those three people. Ambrose, Adrains' mom, and Victor.
Though Adrains' mom doesn't seem that cruel. And for Ambrose...well, his connection with the Queen could have been the end for her. She may have trusted him too much.

I think its victor cause he has all the motives and he hates rose ( thats why he used her stake)
caaaaaaaaaaaaaant wait for the last sacrifise !!!

i have to agree with morganmayhem12, i dont think Victor did it, he wont risk his new freedom to get ride of Rose, i mean, for what? He kidnapped Lissa because he wanted to live to make a revolution!! And in other book he says he wants Lissa to lead it, so, if anda see it that way Victor should help Rose finding the half-brother/sister of Lissa (in the seterusnya book, because i think maybe Rose will break free of prison and make a journey with Dimitri atau Eddie, like Ambrosse aunt said) , to get her a place at the Court, and become the new queen...
I dont think neither Abe atau Adrian did it, like some people say here, they Cinta Rose (in different ways ok?).
I believe the person who killed Tatiana is another Ivashkov, who wanted the place of Tatiana atau didnt agree with her solution... atau ADRIANS DAD (remember Tatiana didnt treat him well, and he is a pain the keldai and an idiot, and he has the sources, im sure.)
Well, thats what i think xD I CANT WAIT FOR THE seterusnya BOOK! :D xoxo!

My guesses are that Christian's aunt killed her because she wasn't there in the court. And Also I think it has to be someone who knew where rose's stake was.

I really think Ambrose killed Queen Tatiana.
Here are my reason why I think it was him.
1.He had access to her private bedroom cause they were Kekasih (So no guards).
2.He Could of been the person to still Lissa dads file (He was away the same time it was stolen and Queen Tatiana could of asked him to steal it cause she was protection Lissa and her Vote on the council)
3. He Knows his way around the corut like the back of his hand, so when rose was out, she could of got her Stake.
4.He was really ticked off about Queen Tatiana voting to lower the Age level. (maybe that's what cause it, they could of been fighting in her bedroom and he got to angry and staked her cause she wouldn't change her vote. But because Ambrose still has the file, he will give it to Lissa so she can vote and change the age level.
But if all of those theories don't work.. I blame it all on Victor Dashkov =P

well I read most the sebelumnya posts and everyone has his point , but what I think is it's something that Victor would do , I don't know him totally disappearing after the Strigoi attack in the hotel and having no lead of his where about for the whole book is suspicious for me , I don't think that Victor personally killed her but he has an accomplice and here the surprise lays , I think it'll be someone who we'll never guess , and about the motive it's clear for Victor he always berkata from the beginning that he wanted the thrown as he berkata for the good of all Vampires and he doesn't hesitate to kill atau do anything to get what he want and about why accusing Rose first cause she's a great threat to expose his deed ( cause she's so smart ) and also taking her away of protecting Lissa so he can use her to heal him again , and about the files I think it was stolen sejak someone from the council cause they don't want anyone to know that Lissa can be a part of the council , can't wait for the seterusnya book , please hurry Rachille

I think Victor is the one who set Rose up. He is still loose.

It was Victor Dashkov. He basically admits to it in the 3rd book, Shadow Kiss. When Rose and Dimitri go to visit Victor in his cell right before the trial, he states that Queen Tatiana's policies are outdated and that as long as she is in power, no change will come about. He sees Lissa as a vehicle for change. In Spirit Bound, after Rose has freed Victor to find information, he goes missing. After being with Rose, Victor had the means to steal her stake and fabricate a murder with her as the culprit. He was likely watching Rose atau had contacts watching her in order to make all signs point to Rose. Victor Dashkov murdered Queen Tatiana.

ok who i think did it was one of her most trusted guards because they would be close to her and they could get rose's stake to frame her and then tell her about lessa's half brother atau sister and get her out of jail

victor

i think that all of it is victor. some people might say that he doesn't want to risk his freedom, and i agree with that. but look at all of the facts. like banannaz says, he practically admits to killing her in the third book. he says that her ways of ruling are wrong. also, he has also berkata that lissa would be a great ruler. if he mencuri the files, it was to have proof that lissa isn't the only dragamir. he knows that since she isn't allowed to have a vote in Spirit Bound, she certainly isn't allowed to be Queen without proof that she isn't the only dragamir. this is just what i think.

I think it was a guardian atau someone with training. Everyone read how hard it was for Moroi like Lissa and Christian to stake pillows and for Lissa to stake Dimitri. I doubt Moroi without that training could stake Queen Tatiana. I also doubt that it was Dimitri, since he's been guarded since he was turned back into a dhampir. I don't think it was Victor Dashkov, since that would be a really stupid way to get himself executed.
I honestly am angry about Dimitri saying he doesn't Cinta Rose anymore. I almost threw the book at the dinding when he berkata his Cinta faded, because I think it's total bs.
I can't wait for Last Sacrifice to come out, and I can't believe we have to wait til December. :(

I've read most of the posts and I think there are some truly valid points. However, I think others are way off the mark.

Here's what we know:
~We know whoever was doing this was purposely trying to frame Rose. And they had lebih than enough to work with. Rose had practically framed herself, what with her calling the Queen offensive names in public, in the courtroom and in front of Daniella. And people knew she was angry about the age change.
~We know they somehow had access to Rose's things because there's no way she left her stake just lying around. atau they knew someone who was able to get into Rose's things, like a maid.
~And we know whoever did it was clever. To be able to get into Tatiana's room and kill her without alerting the guards means the killer is a betrayer, someone Tatiana trusted atau at least knew well. This also leads me to believe they are power-hungry, looking to become the seterusnya king atau Queen once Rose framed and gone. They'll no longer be a suspect.
~The murder took some careful planning. Whoever did it knew there was a slim chance Rose would have an alibi. Plus, they also had to be able to take Rose's stake without Rose's noticing. That seems to have incredibly slim odds. I still don't know how they managed that.
~Resources. Whoever did this had money. There had to have been people they paid off along the way. Like the janitor? I believe he was paid off to berkata a time later than the murder. It seems fishy that it's conveniently after the murder.

I can only talk about real suspects, so I'm not going to waste time about how Adrian, Abe, Dimitri, and Tasha are NOT suspects.
~Ambrose. I believe his involvement is also unlikely. He seems to care about Rose since he keeps trying to help her. He's also a lover of Tatiana's, and while I know arguments happen, I don't think he'd jump into a fit of rage and just happen to have Rose's stake on him. Again, this goes back to careful planning.
~Victor Dashkov. He's lebih likely than the others, but I'm still not convinced. He's very clever, as we've seen. He could pull off the careful planning, but there's no way he'd even be allowed into Court without being caught and sent back to prison. It's possible he had an accomplice, yet somehow, even though we know Victor wants to be king, he seems to me as if he wouldn't frame Rose for the murder if he'd done it. He's not as awful as he seems. And framing people doesn't seem to be his style.
~Nathan Ivashkov. Actually, I hadn't thought of this one until I saw someone mention it here. I could see him with a vendetta against Tatiana. However, he doesn't seem to take any interest in Rose at all. Wouldn't anda think he'd have some interest if he was going to frame her? Not ruling him out, but he's still not my kegemaran suspect.
~Daniella Ivashkov. sejak far, I find her the most likely. She seems to be clever enough to pull this off. On lebih than one occasion, she heard Rose bashing Tatiana. Also, Daniella se

I think it was Adrian because
1. He and the Queen are related and so he could visit her whenever he wanted.
2. He has spirit and could use compulsion on the guards.
3. He was not in the church but knew that Rose would be in church becuase thats where Dimitri was and he has access to her room and thats how he mencuri the stake.
4. His motive was to get back at Rose for abandoning him and breaking his hati, tengah-tengah because he has problems dealing with spirits effects since he stopped drinking and smoking for her.
5. There has to be something he does that makes the readers want Rose to be with Dimitri again
6. Hes a suprise candidate, giving the story a twist.
7. He gets a lawyer to help her so he seems innocent.
8. He is not with Rose when the Queen dies xx

I beleive it was Adrians Mom atau Dad. His father made it clear he did not like rose, and then tatiana embarressed him in front of her. she also made it clear his opion was not needed. Also His mom was very eager to make sure Rose was at the party. I also think it may be lissa. sorry my esplanations stink, they were well thought out.

o me Victor didnt do it. It's TOO Obvious. Richelle Mead has twists in her stories she isnt going to make the killer be the most suspected one. He/She is going to be the least expected..again a twist. I dont think Adrian did it because as much as he wants to be with Rose he would kill his Aunt. The most obvious guesses are: victor,adiran, ambrose, Dimitri and abe. We have to think OUTSIDE of the box. Daniella could have done it, but we also have to think about how did she get the stake. There are TONS of soalan that come with new suspect. What's their motive? Why did they frame Rose? How did they get Rose's stake? IN SB in the trial Rose, and Abe were talking about how messy the set up was. It all pointed towards Rose. anyone who knew Rose, know's she would scheme a murder so horribly. Sure a guardian could have done it, but I suspect a moroi did it, sejak how messy it was. And last but not least... Dimitri. There is no way Dimitri would be allowed in the Queen's lower room without supervision. Unless advised sejak the queen. But every guardian who was there would know it was him.

Well there is a possible of 3 motives,
1. The person didnt like the Queen.
2. They were angry about the age decree
3. They found out about the file.
But, we aslo have to ask who would set up Rose and Lissa. Most people think adrian did it. I think that it fits too well, hes going insane from spirit, angry that rose is picking him over dimka, angry at his aunt for not accepting Rose, but as I said. Too well. It has to be someone at court. Heres what i think happened.

When Adrian asked his parents about Lissa's dad he also asked the queen, that got her digging. She then got her lover - Ambrose to steal the file. Her murder found out that she knew and got angry that Lissa could have her place in the council. Then killed the Queen and framed Rose so that Lissa would be preoccupied. If they knew much about a bond maybe they were planing on getting Rose killed so Lissa would be too unstable to become Queen, atau even a Princess. The Dragomir line would die out. Also that fact that the Queen knew something was going to happen to her meant that it was someone trusted.

Maybe I am a little far fetched but thats how i think it went down, now who.
Everyone is saying Adrians mum, i think it was his dad. They never liked each other. He doesn't like Lissa atau what she stands for and he certainly doesn't like Rose. I dont think he wants a Dragomir to stand in the way of his crown. Everyone sees that she has that potential.

What do anda guys think

Possibly:
Ambrose
Daniella (Adrians mother)
atau some other royal :)

I don't think it was Victor.

I think Adrian just for the shock value, and that he was the last person other than rose atau the guardian who searched her room to have access (When they fought) and he was no where to be found while the Queen was being killed.

If not him, Robert atau Victor, another royal, atau Adrian's mom (from what i've read, its kinda convincing)

I'm thinking Daniella. She was nice to Rose, maybe just TOO nice. She became an automatic suspect for me.

Wow there are so many therories out there, too bad we have to wait until December!
I really think that it is Victor Dashkov. He's powerful enough to get in and get out without being caught. I also agree with JenoJake that Victor had an accomplice and that will be the twist. Also, Victor doesn't like the Queen and wants Lissa to rule while the Queen doesn't. He wanted the Queen out of the way to clear the path for Lissa. Plus, he's slightly insane. And he had plenty of oppurtunity to steal Rose's stake while they were in Las Vegas. I'm sure he could easliy replace it with a look alike. He's smart enough. Going back to the accomplice theory, it is not Adrain. He was very upset and he loved the Queen - she was his aunt. He didn't have anything to do with it.
Another theory that I have that I just thought of is a bit crazy and out there. Here me out.
The Queen was most likely killed for political reasons, right? And one of her policies was that Lissa couldn't rule since she didn't have any other relatives. With the whole file thing and Lissa's half brother wandering around, she had a chance to outsmart the Queen.
So... what if Dimitri isn't really completely turned back. What if he expected this? He was following Rose afer all and could've learned her plan. Therefore, he made a plan of his own where he told his strigoi buddies that if he got turned back somehow to kill the Queen which would throw everything into turmoil. Lissa would forget about her sibling for awhile, long enough for them to track him down and destroy him and also destroy Lissa when everything was in turmoil. He's just pretending to be changed back and all the while he's the evil mastermind behind this.
So there ya go: Victor atau Dimitri.

i think abe hired someone to kill her cuz she was threatening rose all this while and maybe abe didnt like her threatening his daughter? i dont think adrian did it cuz hes not the type that would murder someone and after all she is his aunt.

There are a lot of possibilities as to who killed Queen Tatiana.

I think the most likely person would be Ambrose. He was obviously upset about the age law being passed and he had the most access to the queen, being that he was her lover.

Another likely suspect is Tasha. As she demonstrated loudly in front of everyone she thought just about every decision that the council made. But it is doubtful that she would try and place the blame on Rose.

Victor could also be a possibility considering he was in Las Vegas where the file was stolen but he just seems way to obvious.

But as far as we know it could be someone who has played an insignificant role so far. but it seems to me that she was some how being black-mailed sejak who ever mencuri the file on Lissa's father, into voting for very controversial things. If the letter Rose received really was from Queen Tatiana then she knew she was in danger of being killed. But whoever killed her made sure Rose wouldn't be there to fix things sejak setting her up, which she obviously hadn't expected.

Ok, how about someone no one thinks of, i still say maybe to Daniella, but i suddenly though, what about someone like Lissa's half bro/sis. They could be someone at the castle, watching, waiting, and protecting Lissa from afar and when she knew about them they had to silence her before they knew. Oh! what if Ambrose was Lissas brother!? atau atau or... ummm... its Sydney is her half sister?! atau that ummm it could be one of the royals, like ummm whats his face, like it can be the Ozera princess/prince, they were taking avenge for disrespecting their family. atau it could be like a hidden character, oh! what if it were like one of Dimitri's family! they came and killed her for how she use to treat their Dimitri's Roza. xDD :o an an an ummmmz ummmmz.... omg! what if it was like ummmmz sorry Lost my train of thought... ummmm.... what if it was Victor's brother!!!! he can be taking revenge for locking away his brother, and he was terrified of rose so he was trying to hide! and an and hes a spirit user so he can compulse the people to do as he says. omg! if it was him he could have Charmed the stake with spirit and soon Titiana will burst through the doors and say, "Rosemarie is innocent! it was ______!!!" lmao since the spirit is healing she would come back from the dead? lolz...

Daniella atau Nathan. If there's a HUGE twist: Adrian (though unlikely).

I think Abe is holding back on something big, something that he's not telling Rose. I don't think it has to deal with the murder (if it did, I'd be surprised!), though.

If anda want, anda guys can sertai the forum I'm currently active in. I don't like typing all my theories over and over and over again. It takes too long :P So anda guys can go to the forum called "who framed rose" and basically we are taking it one character at a time. Feel free to read what we've written atau just sertai in the conversation!

~Can't wait for Last Sacrifice!~

it could of been victor
because he might not want his brother getting crazier, if he gets rid of rose and tatiana he's lebih likely to be able to get lissa again

atau ambrose mencuri sydneys file
tatiana had it, someone else wanted it and they didnt like rose so killed tatiana with her stake + got the file not thinking tatiana would of written a note to rose about lissa half brother/ sister

i think Ambrose killed the Queen since he told rose the hari before the Queen was murdered that he was going to go see her and he was mad/angry at the law change. Ambrose also had guardian training as well

Amarose could of killed her, after all he could of easily gotten Rose stake and easily gotten in and out of the queens without a lot of people questioning him. Then there is Victor who could of did it easily, but then it comes how did anyone get Rose's stake. Mikhail could of done it after all he was getting to be Friends with Rose and could of gotten her Stake easily and the fact he is also a Guardian. Nathan(Adrian's father" could of done it, atau even Adrian himself could of , but why would he killed his own family. Dimitri could of though.Maybe even Lissa could of done it, during the spirt's effect on her, and not even remember what she did. Rose might of done it but not truly done it.She could see ghost, and the bond ,she is Shadow Kissed, so why not including this . The last quess i have is Abe, he just appeared out of no where quote on quote, he could of done it, think about it lots of people work for him, but why would he do that to his own Daughter.

has anybody though of Mia??
she could have killed the Queen since she was living in court & already knew how to alih around & had ppl to help her around!! she can still be pissed of that she Lost her parents and be blaming Rose for it!! & maybe she knew about lissas sibiling & she doesnt want them to find him/her so that lissa can't be queen.
idk i just thought of that but i alson think it was Ambrose!!

Tasha Ozera!! She doesnt like that the age decree was made because she thinks its wrong for 16-yer-olds to fight. Then she also doesnt like the fact that Tatiana wont even consider moroi fighting, And she framed rose because she wants dimitri..... it fits??? I cant wait to read it!!

I think if this isnt right then it could be adrians parents.. but i dont quite no the motives.

I THINK LISSA'S SISTER WILL BE JILL MASTRANO!! because she has to be in the story for some reason. And remember, when rose met her she noticed the bright green eyes. Like Lissa. atau her sister could be some randomo..... duunooo